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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2016 11:03 pm 
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Hi there!

The question is straight forward - when is appropriate to admit your feelings when you have some relation and further interaction with someone.

Obviously not in the 1st month or couple of months when you are still dating and especially not before having sex.

I remember last time I admitted my feelings to a girl was some 15 yrs ago, and she of course LJBF or something like that, and since then I haven't done it. But still haven't a serious relationship.

I think sometimes women need to know that the guy they are seeing, dating, committing to, is someone who trusts in them. And if that is so, he has to say/show it in some way. Am I right on that? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

So what are good appropriate situations where the guy says that he also likes and trusts the woman he is with and perceiving for a LTR commitment?

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If you want to spill your guts to a woman that you are not in a relationship with, you can. The thing you need to do is make sure that she knows that wanting to have a relationship with her still isn't certain.

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I think from this and your other threads, you had bad experiences when you were younger and theyve stunted your emotional maturity when it comes to dating.

I think its not so much when you should communicate your feelings, instead its knowing your feelings are healthy and arent from desperation or neediness. For eg, personally I have no fear of saying whatever to a woman. If I had a great date with a woman, I'd have no problems saying "this has been one of the best dates Ive been on." But its no different than if I went to a restaurant, and told the owner "this is the best steak Ive had for a while." My comment is genuine, but its not needy. This being the best steak doesnt mean Im going to come back every day for the steak; it doesnt mean if the restaurant closes tomorrow, i'll be home crying in bed, it doesnt mean that if the steak starts tasting like crap I'll keep coming back. Just like with a woman. I know my feelings arent coming from a needy place so I dont have a problem saying them. And if the date is great, it SHOULD be the same for her. If I think a date was great, and a girl doesnt connect with that, I'd rather let her find someone who gives her that feeling.

Whatever your feelings are you're afraid to say, you have to understand where they are coming from. If after 2 months you are afraid to lose a girl a girl, then thats not healthy. So you shouldnt say that, but the bigger problem is your neediness. Alot of guys dont sort themselves out internally and emotionally, then they get into dating and those problems come out. Whether it be following your passions, hobbies, building strong friendships, or in extreme cases therapy, sort yourself out before entering serious relationships. Because if the chick will mean the most to you, whether or not you tell her this, she'll know, get turned off and leave.

I'm not afraid to tell a chick I like her, want to fuck her, I missed seeing her, because my feelings for her are based on what she's done...not who she is. If I go out with a chick and she's not doing anything for me eg investing, sweet things, sexy things, interesting things, I dont feel into her. I dont try to bait her into investing, I just move on. So when I DO say my feelings, its because I like her, and she's done things trying to get me to like her. So there's never a LJBF speech, because the girls I like are doing things to make me like them. Many guys like the girl for the simple fact that she's fucking them or is getting to talk to her on the phone. So the girl knows she hasnt done much. When you show your feelings, it just confirms that it doesnt take alot to make you feel that way about her = her turned off from your lack of standards.

In the end, if your feelings are healthy, you wouldnt have problems. Its kinda like sex. I know that sleeping with someone on a first date is no big deal. So if im on a first date, im not afraid to express that desire, verbally or physically or whatever else. Now, some girls see it that way too. Some girls, wouldnt want to sleep on the 1st date and theyll deny the move or need a bit more work. Some girls, will think that sex on the 1st date is crazy, and if I make a move I'm a pervert and sexual deviant. Those girls wont call back the next day when I suggest going back to my place and they say nah. But, I know my desire is natural, its healthy and I'm fine with it. So a girl who is that far off the page from me, doesnt make me question whether I should express my feelings...its THEIR problem. So there are some girls who even if your emotions are healthy, theirs arent, so they'll run. Some girls have all kinds of baggage...i'm not gonna mute myself because she's a nutcase. My pt with that is dont be afraid to express yourself, once you ensure your life is in order and your feelings are coming from a place of abundance.


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I think from this and your other threads, you had bad experiences when you were younger and theyve stunted your emotional maturity when it comes to dating.

I think its not so much when you should communicate your feelings, instead its knowing your feelings are healthy and arent from desperation or neediness. For eg, personally I have no fear of saying whatever to a woman. If I had a great date with a woman, I'd have no problems saying "this has been one of the best dates Ive been on." But its no different than if I went to a restaurant, and told the owner "this is the best steak Ive had for a while." My comment is genuine, but its not needy. This being the best steak doesnt mean Im going to come back every day for the steak; it doesnt mean if the restaurant closes tomorrow, i'll be home crying in bed, it doesnt mean that if the steak starts tasting like crap I'll keep coming back. Just like with a woman. I know my feelings arent coming from a needy place so I dont have a problem saying them. And if the date is great, it SHOULD be the same for her. If I think a date was great, and a girl doesnt connect with that, I'd rather let her find someone who gives her that feeling.

Whatever your feelings are you're afraid to say, you have to understand where they are coming from. If after 2 months you are afraid to lose a girl a girl, then thats not healthy. So you shouldnt say that, but the bigger problem is your neediness. Alot of guys dont sort themselves out internally and emotionally, then they get into dating and those problems come out. Whether it be following your passions, hobbies, building strong friendships, or in extreme cases therapy, sort yourself out before entering serious relationships. Because if the chick will mean the most to you, whether or not you tell her this, she'll know, get turned off and leave.

I'm not afraid to tell a chick I like her, want to fuck her, I missed seeing her, because my feelings for her are based on what she's done...not who she is. If I go out with a chick and she's not doing anything for me eg investing, sweet things, sexy things, interesting things, I dont feel into her. I dont try to bait her into investing, I just move on. So when I DO say my feelings, its because I like her, and she's done things trying to get me to like her. So there's never a LJBF speech, because the girls I like are doing things to make me like them. Many guys like the girl for the simple fact that she's fucking them or is getting to talk to her on the phone. So the girl knows she hasnt done much. When you show your feelings, it just confirms that it doesnt take alot to make you feel that way about her = her turned off from your lack of standards.

In the end, if your feelings are healthy, you wouldnt have problems. Its kinda like sex. I know that sleeping with someone on a first date is no big deal. So if im on a first date, im not afraid to express that desire, verbally or physically or whatever else. Now, some girls see it that way too. Some girls, wouldnt want to sleep on the 1st date and theyll deny the move or need a bit more work. Some girls, will think that sex on the 1st date is crazy, and if I make a move I'm a pervert and sexual deviant. Those girls wont call back the next day when I suggest going back to my place and they say nah. But, I know my desire is natural, its healthy and I'm fine with it. So a girl who is that far off the page from me, doesnt make me question whether I should express my feelings...its THEIR problem. So there are some girls who even if your emotions are healthy, theirs arent, so they'll run. Some girls have all kinds of baggage...i'm not gonna mute myself because she's a nutcase. My pt with that is dont be afraid to express yourself, once you ensure your life is in order and your feelings are coming from a place of abundance.
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What are your feelings?

Honestly they are mixed. (yet positive)

I feel that I want to tell her that I like her and to some extend care and value her as a person.

I feel like I want to tell her I realize that I reacted emotional last time we talked when she told me she is seeing someone. It was a very spur rushed decision from my side to tell her "we better stop communicating". Partly I did it because it shaked me emotionally and I didn't wanted to look week. Partially I did it because I felt that s.o. is taking what I was thinking was mine - i.e. possessiveness appeared. (yes I know it is was bad, i'm working on it) I regret doing so it big time now.

I feel like I want to tell her I value certain qualities in her.

I feel like I want to apologize her if somehow in some way I offended her, because in a sense I told her that when I come to France I want to experience good time together, and she might have interpreted it as me just wanting to come and bang her (of course I do want to bang her, but its not the only reason I want to go there), I don't really know how she perceived it.

I feel like a I want to tell her that I was letting the possibility for us to be in LTR, but I don't know if she was as well.

And yes all those things are coming from a place of honesty and being genuine and I don't want to do them just to trick her with words in order to get in her pants.

However you are damn right that I a bit afraid of doing so, since it looks to me that by doing so I reveal all my cards, and I feel like I'm giving my power to her, so she has more control than me and I basically let everything to chance. And of course I want to be a real man and keep my power, stand my ground and be though or at least look tough.

See thing is that in so many cases I want to give myself the impression of a cool, laid back guy who doesn't get affected easy and it works in the begging of the relation. That attitude that I'm free minded, detached from commitment and seriousness - that is one thing that also attracted them in the begging
... HOWEVER (and this is big one) deep inside of me I want to be serious, to have a gf that I can trust and keep and not just every month go out and be with random girls. Even that gets boring - i realize now.

So in brief I feel like a stretched rubber - my emotions tell me to admit my true feeling and attitude, however my logic and reasoning hints me that I'll look week if I do so.

And this whole thing sometimes drives me nuts.

Thanks for your prev detailed reply.

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Oh and btw I while ago I found THIS GUY online and I've been following his materials since then. Helped me a lot at the time since now.

In many of his materials he says that "women are more attracted to guys who's feeling are unclear to them".

That is one reason also I'm double minded of admitting my feels.

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Op.... The moment you're afraid to do or say something to a chick you've entered neediness land. Be honest with yourself... You want to tell her something to get a response or something from it. If you want to apologize then you won't care what she thinks or how it appears. What you said sounds needy because you are needy.

Also... The more I see people post Guru's the more I know to stay away from reading or watching any more pickup material. That shit is just regurgitated old school mentality and at least the old Guru's weren't preaching inner game or lifestyle. I'm sorry but I see more valuable information being told on this forum than from Corey Wayne so I'm glad I stopped reading pu years ago. N2 can probably break down that statement from Wayne by attachment styles which will help you from seeking out women who run when you say I like you vs continuing to show uncertainty and stuck in a loop.


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Op.... The moment you're afraid to do or say something to a chick you've entered neediness land. Be honest with yourself... You want to tell her something to get a response or something from it. If you want to apologize then you won't care what she thinks or how it appears. What you said sounds needy because you are needy.
Yes I realize I probably act very needy about it. I was about about to record a video of me telling in brief that: 1. I apologize if I offended or annoyed her 2. I didn't really meant what I said back then 3. I wanted to maintain good terms at least. 4. One small favor - just to let me know she read/view that message/video. Nothing more. And of course if she has something to say - to feel free to do so.

I think the only way of overcoming this fear is facing it straight face 2 face.

If I don't tell her those simple things this will haunt me as it does. Every day since.
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Also... The more I see people post Guru's the more I know to stay away from reading or watching any more pickup material. That shit is just regurgitated old school mentality and at least the old Guru's weren't preaching inner game or lifestyle. I'm sorry but I see more valuable information being told on this forum than from Corey Wayne so I'm glad I stopped reading pu years ago. N2 can probably break down that statement from Wayne by attachment styles which will help you from seeking out women who run when you say I like you vs continuing to show uncertainty and stuck in a loop.
Regarding Corey Wayne - he is not PUA at all. Even the opposite - understanding relationships. Honestly i don't like much PU. I don't already feel enjoyment going out with different girl every night. I'm tired of it. I want serious relationship. Sorry to say that in this forum/ community.

And yes - here is also good info and ideas I don't deny it.

What do you think is going to solve the problem. I feel I can't move on unless I made clear those 4 things. At this point I need certainty and now I feel like I'm in the middle of a fog. And approaching new girls is NOT helping me.

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Theres so much ill say later about what you wrote. I think you're mistaking what I was saying.

For the rcord, was this a relationship? meaning did you 2 say we are bf/gf? Did you sleep with this girl


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Theres so much ill say later about what you wrote. I think you're mistaking what I was saying.

For the rcord, was this a relationship? meaning did you 2 say we are bf/gf? Did you sleep with this girl
Relationship not sure. 2 months together physical in the summer and 10 months virtual.
Yes of course I slept with her.

I think I finally realize the situation clearly. I think my reacting annoyed and angered, making her look like worthless (honestly it didn't crossed my mind at that point, but now as I think it tru, this makes way more sense) and due to she doesn't want to get into drama she shuts her off - remaining silent.

So I recorded her a short video with apology.

It is usually a video that I'll send her, but here I post only sound for obvious reasons.

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What are your feelings?

Honestly they are mixed. (yet positive)

I feel that I want to tell her that I like her and to some extend care and value her as a person.

Alas the true intent behind your initial question has been revealed, as I'd predicted. You're feeling a sense of remorse over not having been honest with your feelings towards this girl while you were courting her. Fast forward to now, the fact she's pretty much inaccessible you're wanting to do so as a last ditch effort in hope it'll win her over; post-hoc.

To digress back to your original question, however, by your current logic of wanting to tell her how you truly feel towards her now is, in itself, an answer to your own question as to when to admit one's feelings.

Right now, where you're at is very different from where you were at when she was IN your life and accessible to you.

So. To answer your question when is it ok to admit your feelings in a relationship? WHEN they come up, as in when you're aware of them in the present moment. You, however, are living in a post-present moment. One foot in the past "what could have been?" and one in the future "she's my only option". That is not being present, and as such you'll always come out of a place of scarcity in functioning emotionally off of feelings that are steeped in the past, and/or future projections.

Example. If I am worried I won't have another chance with a girl that my mind's convinced me is amazing, when I express my emotions out of that energy it'll come through a pleading 'please-don't-leave-me' energy.

Contrast this to being on a 1st, 2nd or 20th date with a girl, holding her hand as we're strolling across the beach at sunset, and I turn to her look into her eyes and tell her "I m really enjoying this moment with you", which comes out of how I am feeling in that moment and not based on any mental filter (e.g. catastrophizing, mind reading etc).



I feel like I want to tell her I realize that I reacted emotional last time we talked when she told me she is seeing someone.

Again hereinlies the problem. You're minimzing your own emotions and putting hers above your own. This comes back to valuing one's self first and foremost, that which you clearly aren't doing. You're not being vulnerable in telling her how you feel now, you're exposing yourself out of desperation in hopes she'll return.

Btw, why shouldn't you have felt emotional in that moment? I'd be hurt, as would any guy on this board if a girl he was interested in became involved with someone else. Why dishonor yourself like that and minimize it? Why? To gain some 'respect' point from her while you further disrespect yourself and lower your own integrity? Be careful. The more you sell off your integrity for someone else, ANYONE, the digger the hole you dig for yourself and the LONGER it takes to climb out...WELL past the point that they're gone for from your life, you'll be putting your energies into getting out of that hole you'd dug. Is it worth it?



It was a very spur rushed decision from my side to tell her "we better stop communicating". Partly I did it because it shaked me emotionally and I didn't wanted to look week.

Again. Was it really that rash? OR were you doing what you knew how to do to protect yourself?

Partially I did it because I felt that s.o. is taking what I was thinking was mine - i.e. possessiveness appeared. (yes I know it is was bad, i'm working on it) I regret doing so it big time now.

I feel like I want to tell her I value certain qualities in her.

You've long sinced abandoned yourself. What about you in all of this? Do you have even 1 quality about yourself you like right here, right now in this moment?

I feel like I want to apologize her if somehow in some way I offended her, because in a sense I told her that when I come to France I want to experience good time together, and she might have interpreted it as me just wanting to come and bang her (of course I do want to bang her, but its not the only reason I want to go there), I don't really know how she perceived it.

Again. You've sacrificed so much of yourself you're willing to continually throw yourself under the bus for someone not even worth your time and effort, to someone who is a HEADWIND in your life.


I feel like a I want to tell her that I was letting the possibility for us to be in LTR, but I don't know if she was as well.

And yes all those things are coming from a place of honesty and being genuine and I don't want to do them just to trick her with words in order to get in her pants.

No. Your judgment is clouded. All of this is coming from a scarcity mindset. You're willing to further sell yourself down the river to have her attention.

However you are damn right that I a bit afraid of doing so, since it looks to me that by doing so I reveal all my cards, and I feel like I'm giving my power to her, so she has more control than me and I basically let everything to chance. And of course I want to be a real man and keep my power, stand my ground and be though or at least look tough.

See thing is that in so many cases I want to give myself the impression of a cool, laid back guy who doesn't get affected easy and it works in the begging of the relation. That attitude that I'm free minded, detached from commitment and seriousness - that is one thing that also attracted them in the begging
... HOWEVER (and this is big one) deep inside of me I want to be serious, to have a gf that I can trust and keep and not just every month go out and be with random girls. Even that gets boring - i realize now.

So in brief I feel like a stretched rubber - my emotions tell me to admit my true feeling and attitude, however my logic and reasoning hints me that I'll look week if I do so.

And this whole thing sometimes drives me nuts.

Thanks for your prev detailed reply.
You'll look WEAKER to yourself by doing so, absolutely.

You also have a very Anxious style of attachment. It will take you some time to heal. You're wanting some solace for your pain but you will not get any of that from her only more wounds, only further feelings of indignity as you sell yourself short for a fantasy relationship that existed only in your head. You're looking to her for an 'everything is alright' response which won't happen, whilst you've abandoned yourself and are like the thirsty old man in the dessert. The heroin addict itching for the next hit, willing to do whatever it takes even if it means selling his soul to get it.


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You also have a very Anxious style of attachment. It will take you some time to heal. You're wanting some solace for your pain but you will not get any of that from her only more wounds, only further feelings of indignity as you sell yourself short for a fantasy relationship that existed only in your head. You're looking to her for an 'everything is alright' response which won't happen, whilst you've abandoned yourself and are like the thirsty old man in the dessert. The heroin addict itching for the next hit, willing to do whatever it takes even if it means selling his soul to get it.
Probably yes. Probably I will not get "everything is alright response" but I still have a guilty conscience and want to be clean with myself that apologize if I offended or have hurt her. That is my true feeling. If she can't or will not accept it. There is nothing more I can do.

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You also have a very Anxious style of attachment. It will take you some time to heal. You're wanting some solace for your pain but you will not get any of that from her only more wounds, only further feelings of indignity as you sell yourself short for a fantasy relationship that existed only in your head. You're looking to her for an 'everything is alright' response which won't happen, whilst you've abandoned yourself and are like the thirsty old man in the dessert. The heroin addict itching for the next hit, willing to do whatever it takes even if it means selling his soul to get it.
Probably yes. Probably I will not get "everything is alright response" but I still have a guilty conscience and want to be clean with myself that apologize if I offended or have hurt her. That is my true feeling. If she can't or will not accept it. There is nothing more I can do.
This is more about self-acceptance rather than other acceptance.


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