Many of the bars here have live or w/e music that is so loud that you have to really shout to be heard unless u r in the person's face/next to their ear. This can be handled in some venues by trying to open in the areas that are easier to hear, but several of the prime locations where I live don't really have any place in them where you get relief from the noise.

In regards to opening: you don't want to telegraph too much interest, invade intimate personal space, or generally yell into a person's ear...but I mean...I honestly see no way around giving maximum effort for attention as well as shouting or bringing her head close to my mouth for her to hear. This deterred me from opening at these places, when I otherwise would have.

Should I simply not care and accept the blaring music as plausible deniability for instant kino and closeness? In 2sets+, it would sure as hell be a problem to engage everybody unless we were huddled in a close circle. I could barely talk to my friends across a small table while leaning in. How do you guys deal with this?

_________________

Pretty much, yeah. Don't be afraid to touch the girls. Most of them are HOPING a guy has the guts to touch them anyway.

Do the normal approach from the side (non-threatening) and when you get to her, slip your arm around her back, as if you are just any friend, and throw your opener out there. In venues like this the girls EXPECT to be touched. Sure, you'll have the ocassional bitch that doesn't want any hands near her, but that's the exception.

Now, once you've thrown your opener out, calibrate by the girl's body language to see if you should keep your arm around her or immediately let her go. Also, even if she is completely accepting, don't just stand there for the next 5 minutes with your arm around her either. The whole purpose is to get her attention and warm her up to you. I would say normally 30 seconds is max at this point. You do need to release her.

There's 2 ways to go about this. You can either learn to cope and become good at opening in loud venues, or you can switch to different venues, like pubs, lounges, malls and other quieter places. You'll also find different sorts of people there in completely different frames, which usually makes them more approachable in my opinion. The best thing to do though, is decide what you are trying to achieve with pickup and then decide if you want one type of game, or to be cross-trained.

Personally, I have been focussing on pubs and quieter venues, cause I don't like the one night stands and such, I like to make a connection with someone and I find that difficult in a loud club. I'm just now starting to focus on learning club game, but primarily for teaching purposes, because it's a different sort of relationship you will find there and they aren't really the kind of relationship I'm looking for.

_________________
"The 'Brick Walls' are there to allow you to prove how badly you want something!" ~ Randy Pausch

~ Rye

I love club game. If you're on the dance floor, just start dancing with them (I've found that women LIKE to be touched, and can tell quite easily that you are nervous if you DON'T touch them, if you are dancing at a distance), isolate to a quieter location, and then go from there.

_________________
Rated R!

And there you go. Just, guys, don't start humping the girls right there on the dance floor right off the bat. At least wait until their a bit into you, then when they start grinding on you, by all means get sexual. Remember, you CAN kino w/o being sexual at first, and that's what the girls are looking for.