So got a friend new to the game has seen me get much success and basically asked how...

So started helping him out basic game tech, and personally in my view, im making him change his life around alot...he doesnt have much going for him...

ANYWAY :- He raised a good question, when teaching an AFC we tend to teach them to go in under the radar, indirect....HOWEVER if your not clear with your intent, you get friend zoned...Or you freak the girl out when you do finally make a move. So he asked where the balance was....I told him my view but thought i would ask here, to see if anyone else has come up with a better way of explaining it...

I said, going under the radar is simply a way to get the conversation hooked...its like saying your complete strangers i wanted to say something to...its not till you hook your set, do you start showing your a physical man, an light kino etc blah blah...that you start to show your intent....this can happen 10 mins into a set or 10 seconds into a set. depending on the reaction you get, Last but not least, always show your more than happy to walk away. you need them to chase...


I'm paraphrasing obviously... But anyone else, had to explain this stage before???

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Most people or newbies get caught up too much by the wording. The point of the words becomes obvious after so much approaching.

Everything with girls should be treated and thought of just like the approach - When a guy is a stranger approaching a girl to talk with them, interest is implied. Why else would you be approaching them? So regardless of your method "indirect/direct" it's almost just the same. However, if you're too "direct" and by that it most always means too sexual too fast with a girl you just meet, they are going to be repulsed. Which is why it's safer to be "indirect" first, and "direct" later, once you've see the person a few times, and they know you better.

The problem is that it's a tricky balancing act and has to be judged per situation, because you can lose the girl by being too indirect or too direct, just as you can win them either way as well.

The last girl I slept with went like this; I was very direct with her up front and told her I wanted to sleep with her as soon as we met. Of course she wasn't ready and rejected that. She almost left my car but I told her I wanted to take her out and talk too. So we did, and when I took her back home that evening she let me suck on her chest. We did it like a week later.

I will share my experience, but I will answer your question right now.

It depends on the situation. Sometimes, I have used indirect only because the situation was too good to pass. One great example is when I watched a pair of two dudes try to pick up two girls. Damn, were they awful. The girls weren't feeling them at all. I couldn't resist after I watched the guy kiss the girl on the hand. She did not care for that lol. I opened them with a "wow, what happened there?!"......and they opened up like a moist vagina.

I have used direct in situations where the girl is clearly on the prowl. I have used it when the girl really likes me. It all comes down to experience and the trial and errors. Your friend will not understand until he has failed and failed again. I have been in the game for 6 years. I have internalized things that won't come second nature to people starting out. Take him out with you. Expose him to the world.

The thing is this. You have to show them it is possible. I am helping my roommate improve his game. He roomed with me for 6 months in college. He was a virgin at the time and I pushed him to lose it before i graduated. And it took 2 months for that to happen under my watch.


Now after I broke up with my ex, I needed a new roommate, and 1 year later, he becomes my roommate once again. And he also broke up with his ex at the time. He got wifed up at chick number 2 and stayed with her for 1.5 years.


Lately I have been showing him my tinder game. I have been showing him my fake OKCUPID account of a chick and showing him the amount of messages these girls receive and how 95% of them suck. I have been taking him with me to the bars, I have been opening, I have been touching, verbal gaming, and overall just showing him how being the fun guy helps others feel at ease and gravitate towards you. I have been pushing him to go the the gym, I have been telling him that we all game differently and that he has to figure out his own style and really dedicate his time to learning the art.

I have noticed that he understands that it really is possible. I have introduced him to my social circle of cute girls. Slowly but surely, I have been meeting girls that are hired because they are cute at certain restaurants in my city. It is all due to social circle and familiarity. He is being exposed to attractive women and that has also helped him realize that you can be in the same room with them and not have a heart attack.


One thing that you should tell your wing is to develop a game where HE feels comfortable with because he might start using game that works for you but not for him. This is definitely key. He has to learn, you can't hold his hand all the time. He has to fail. I didn't have anyone teaching me. I had this forum but I had to do the grunt work.

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As other posters have already pointed out, you should be able to adapt your approach depending on the situation. For simplicity though, I go under the radar by using nonverbal escalation techniques and so much less of those direct verbal techniques unless:

1. The girl opened me first.

2. The girl touched me first.

3. The girl gave me a set of approach invites.

For instance:

1. I don't do those gay tap on the shoulders or arm kino on girls. That's indirect nonverbal gaming. A direct nonverbal kino which is still under the radar is shaking hands with a girl, not letting her hand go for a couple of minutes, pulling her body closer through her hand, and so on. Then I calibrate. Two steps forward for every one step back. I do this calibration rhythm until I am using the girl's hand to rub on my cock. I really think the proper escalation rhythm is crucial in your seduction. Likewise, you also have to be very careful on the venue so the girl won't look like a slut in front of her friends.

2. When a girl touches my abs and gives me an eyefuck for more than 2 minutes; I go direct verbal. I sometimes say things like, "I want to fuck you right now" and get away with it towards a same day lay (rare). The most effective verbal approach though is to simply say, "Let's go" and then isolate the girl to the f-close place (your apartment, a nearby inn or motel, a basement and so on.)

As a rule of thumb: Convey your clear intention through your nonverbals unless the girl is showing very obvious signs that she's already horny enough and ready to get fucked.

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I pretty much do the same thing but with a 'Dad Bod' and no 6 pack

I used to do the 'incidental kino' that people think is useful. Not anymore, hand grab and get in her face like a gangster

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Intent is overrated. It's good to have to keep momentum but friendzone mostly happens when the girl isn't attracted to you. Do you think that if Brad Pitt suddenly made a move on his female friends they'd tell him I only see you as a friend? Most friendzone instances are just the guy is not attractive to the chick. You can go in under the radar and once you're attractive to the girl she'll be thinking about sex with you. Doesn't really matter imo

I think the point is..

The intent reveals of her interest level to you and vice versa

Brad Pitt example could be better, Brad Pitt's meta-value is somewhat biased for a typical interaction. I know what you're saying though

Not sure i believe in 'building attraction' its more about 'sustaining attraction and leading' for me

I find there is usually something magical at the start, not 10 mins into incidental knee kino (from my experience anyway)

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I think intent is important to the single point of not giving the impression of willing to be just friends and walking away if that's all you can get. IMO, you still want to be able to present yourself as somewhat a challenge...no matter how you present it. The bottom line is if a woman is attracted to you and you don't give her something to work with, she'll get bored and look for the next guy.This is a pretty strong statement. I always feel if I can get a genuine smile out of a woman...I'm pretty unstoppable at that point. I get it wrong sometimes...but attraction is usually there.

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I would agree with you on the genuine smile leads to a genuine connection. I love squeezing smiles out of women, even the coldest ones melt and at that point, I wrap them around my finger. Then again, i am a playful bastard. And i love it.

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Good pt about the challenge. Ive played around with both; showing intent immediately and friendly talk to straight intent ...havent really seen a difference. I think intent is kinda like escalation for me. They're good for saving time and building momentum but not showing intent or escalating is not what would make me get friendzoned. If a girl is attracted to you and you're being a challenge, she'll give you windows and leeway. If you're friendzoned and she was attracted, its usually because you missed alot of opportunities to make things happen

Stating your intention is one of the dumbest things advocated on this site. If you project sexual it without being direct you get all the benefit without the downside.

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I think you are confused about expressing intent and stating it. Expressing it still gives some uncertainty. Stating it gives no uncertainty and is the opposite of being seductive.

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Yeah fair point, I think I have dug the smirk out of a few girls in my past back in my old verbal game days

My current style is to find the dtf girls (usually loud dancefloor) that are looking to meet someone and escalate physically and lead like a gangster

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I can think of dumber things being advocated on this site. Jack has said what needs to be said with intent

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