girls that are 9 and above (the kind that every guy stares at) have this bitch shield that I dont know how to handle.

well, I dont have enough experience to say all 9s are like that but today I saw this gorgeous girl, absolute model, nicely dressed, nice teeth, big boobs, high heels, smelled good.

she was doing something on her phone, I think texting uber. I said "hey, I was just over there and I noticed you were checking me out" she didn't even bother looking in my eye, she kept looking at her phone, being disrespectful. I asked her name, she said it. I said "are you indian?" she said "no" I said "where are you from?" she didn't respond. she never looked at me once, she was on her phone all this time.

I understand why this happens. I am just like that other guy that approached her 5 minutes ago, who was just like that other guy that approached her 6 minutes ago, who was just like that other guy that approached her 7 minutes ago.

but what's the solution to this? how do you approach such girls? how do you get rid of the bitch shield? or it's better to just walk away?

Gym.

We can talk about inner game. We can talk about a lot of voodoo. But nature always wins. If you look great, and you have big arms and shoulders, the bitch shield goes down like the Death Star.

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I know this is a long response. But if you read it, you will learn a lot.

The reason girls act like this towards some guys is pretty straight forward.

They perceive that they have more value than you.

In most cases she probably does. If she is standing there 'absolute model, nicely dressed, nice teeth, big boobs, high heels, smelled good' as you put, then she is top quality and as you put it a '9'. Then if you are small, skinny with bad breath coming at her with a cheesy pick up line, she will consider you to be around about a '3'. She will avoid you like the plague. There is just no way on earth that you are going to get her no matter how strong your skills are, because your product just isn't worth buying for her. If you get what I'm saying?

Girls always want to fuck and date guys higher than themselves. A girl who is a '9' will genuinely want to fuck and date guys that she perceives as being '9' or above. You have to become a very strong male to get this sort of girl. In today's society that means taking your career seriously and excelling in that, and as arch said hit the gym or exercise so you to have a decent body that she would find attractive, make sure you dress well and believe in yourself. Speak with confidence and conduct your life with respect for who you are. These are just a few things, but over time you will begin to raise your own value. Your goal should be to yourself be a '9' or a '10' in the eyes of women.

Think about how easy it would be for a male '10' to now speak to this woman. Do you think that she wouldn't want to fuck his brains out and date him? Even if she already had a current boyfriend, do you think that she wouldn't still be considering it? Of course there will be the usual elements of seduction... you will still have to take her from open to closing her. She might shit test, try to take over the frame, give you objections, play hard to get, try to withhold sex. You still need a good pick up skillset with this. But now, it will be a whole lot easier to get your desired result and your open to close ratio will increase a lot.

With good pick up skills and techniques you can get girls who are above you in value. This is what DHV'ing is for, this is what negging is for, this is what push pull is designed to do (when done appropriately, it is the principles that matter, not like most numpties who try this stuff then comlain that it 'doesn't work' when really they're not doing it properly). Just like a good salesman can sell a decent car but get more out of it than a normal guy would. A good pick up artist should be able to sell his sex to a girl who is a few points above him on the SMV Scale. But the gap from '3' to '9' is just far too wide, that's like trying to sell a beat up banger to a rich person who already owns a Mercedes and a Porche. They're just not going to be interested, and you need to have somebody interested before you can close. They can get better value elsewhere. If you build yourself up to be a '7' then you could still have a chance of bedding a '9' if your skills are on point. But you should always be aiming to be that product that every girl wants to buy, and keeping that as a reference as you build your game.

This is why game is an entire lifestyle. You should balance all of the area's of your life and work on them simultaneously as you approach women and try to seduce them. As you improve yourself, your mindset, your skillset, your lifestyle. Your approach to close ratio will improve. You will get less 'bitch shields' as you put it and you will begin to see hotter and hotter girls IOI you.. Simply because more girls will find you attractive and want to fuck you.

Brushing their teeth would be a start for most guys.

Thank God man post of the week!!!!! But what hurts is the fact Bart registered here 5 yrs ago and even 1 year vets have more understanding than he. Feelsbadman

BART!!! We'll look past the conversation, as you already know your words were weak. HOW WERE YOU DRESSED? WERE YOU STANDING UP STRAIGHT? DID YOU HAVE ON COLOGNE? The #'s thing is true as natural said. If you don't appear to be close to that 9 that can match with her, then you're not going to stand a chance.

When I go out, dressed in pleated slacks, polished dress shoes, a button up, and stand tall and move slow and make eye contact with everyone and hold it longer than they can, women stare at me because I stand out. Why do I do this? Because I want a woman that is equivalent to that image.

thank you guys. I gotta go back and read natural's post again, I am not sure I understood everything.

I was dressed with exercise clothes (t shirt and pants) because I was running and I just noticed her. I was sweaty and I probably smelled bad. the only reason I even bothered with her is because of all the serotonin or whatever that gets in your brain when you exercise. normally I would have been a bitch and ran away.

master, you're right, my words were weak. I was like every other afc that bends backwards for her.

but I don't think you guys got my question. my question is, what do you do when she is not even giving you a chance? she didn't even give me a chance, her phone was more important than me. I dont think it has to do with me being a 3 vs. a 9, she is just tired of men approaching her all the time and hence, the bitch shield.

I am looking for things to overcome that barrier. For example, when I walked away, I suddenly realized I should have started with "you look like Steven Spielberg" or even "excuse me, are you a man or a woman?" in a nonchalant way to be different from every other guy that kisses her ass.

I choose not to game at certain times. One is when I'm sweaty from working out. It's not the most flattering thing. You can if you want. I want to look good and smell nice when flirting not the opposite.

Besides that, the best thing you could have done to give yourself a better shot was have an interesting conversation. But you also have to remember she just might not have been interested...

But remember - You did sack up and approach her. Kudos.

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Bart,

You have yet to develop the confidence, courage, and fervor to attract women of high quality because you have yet to get out there daily and actively put in the work its going to take to get you from where you are in frame control to where they are. Being stared at all the time teaches you to be poised. They'll develop it naturally, you'll develop it by working for it.

Thats your solution. You're not ready. And you won't be until you put in the work. But of course, you're back on the forum for another short cut. The business cards not working?

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Eddie, you're right.

you keep insisting that I "put in the work" but you never specified what this "work" involves. I have been doing these exercises suggested by Sasha Daygame in a youtube video. I walk up to a girl and say "excuse me, I just wanted to let you know uh...uh...uh...uh..." until she walks away. this is supposed to crush your ego and it seems like it's helping. I think my anxiety is down from a 10 to a 9.

you always say I should do the work to get where I want, but you never said what I need to do. If you tell me what to do, I will do it. are you talking about your suggestion a few days ago "approach 15 women in 1 hour for 90 days"?

Natural_Dec is spot on.

Bart, your missing the point. High quality non-needy women can intuitively tell when a man has "it."

When you've got your shit together and you're passionate about something in your life, be it a business or whatever, people can intuitively pick up on it without ever talking to you. To get a high quality woman you have to be a high quality man. That's what you work towards. Approach women on the side when you want but your primary focus in life should be something that drives you to wake up every morning. And it shouldn't be women.

Cheers mate I appreciate it.

Not that he will probably understand or ever apply the concept but it's worth it to put it out there lol.

Balling.

I thought I exiled Bart a long time ago at the time of his mental breakdown by highlighting his his inaction by offering my help.

Looks like we're are both back in town.

You're not a lion, you're a field mouse and very much low on the food chain.

I have been rejected more times from women than you have posts on this forum. That is why girls know I 'Have it' because I have earned it, the girls can sense my effort, they can tell that I am not outcome dependant on their reaction(s)

This video explains all:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zt9BO2BlaLg

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Hi Dragula,

I was wondering what happened to you. I took some time off because I was asking a lot of theoretical questions and doing nothing. now I am taking a little bit of action. Thanks for the encouragement. I read the above line "I have been rejected more times..." and that made me stop being afraid of rejection and I just approached a girl. I won't go into details because I was just terrible, I said "I love you" to her from the start which is something you are never supposed to tell a girl. she was sitting down and although there was a perfect seat next to her, I stood there while talking to her. I went for the number too quickly. after she said no, I continued talking to her. I didn't make the conversation about her, I made it about me. I asked her if she has a boyfriend which is something you should never do. I made a huge mess. but really, the reason I approached is because of your post. I wouldn't have done it otherwise.

nr, it's liberating to know that women will not be a focus of my life any more. knowing this relieves a lot of the pressure.

to everyone else: thanks so much. I have to go back to the drawing board now, all this time I have been doing it wrong.

Well fair play, I am happy you have seen the light, I am all about the tough love.

The way you write, really shows a lot of flaws in your mindset.

Telling a girl you love her is okay if it's in a playful dynamic, perhaps more so for night venues where it can be perceived as flirting. Perhaps not as a 1st approach in a shopping mall with a serious face...

Also, asking a girl if she has a bf is probably the most efficient question you can ask in my opinion. It shows them that you're not apologetic to why you have approached them, you can gauge if they are lying or not and you can escape the 40mins on conversation to find out she is married, anyway, you will get this a little later down the line. Check out the Steve Jabba youtube vids

I think you just need to get back to the basics, I encourage you to start a journal, I am still willing to offer you a SPAM call to see how you carry yourself and to see your fundamentals to see if there is some obvious things to work on. Or are you firm on still being all discreet and faceless?

You should work on these things:

1) Fundamentals
2) Mindset and motivation
3) Approaching and what to say/do

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Dragula,

ok, I agree that "I love you" CAN BE ok.

but "do you have a boyfriend" is never ok in my book because 1) it's too easy to just say yes, it's almost like a reflex. do you have a boyfriend? yes. 2) it qualifies you because you're saying "I am available, the only question is, are YOU available too?" 3) even if she has a boyfriend, it's irrelevant because you are a better choice for her. and are you exaggerating about the 40 minutes? you talk to her for 5 minutes, go for the number, if she is married you only wasted 5 minutes. I dont know where you're getting 40 from.

I did start a journal in the field reports section while you were gone.

sorry, I want to be discreet (and thanks for not spelling it as "discrete" that drives me nuts)