1. Do you think canned openers will work on girls that you just met through a friend and are in your social circle for the night? Do you think this is an effective way of opening them?

2. Ever feel like someone ever doubts you and you want to prove them wrong so you go into a slightly mad/ I want to prove you wrong attitude. For instance, you get trashed talked in a game and you compete at your best to shut him up. Do you think its good to apply this to approaching girls? For instance, one night my friend made a comment to me saying my standards were too high with women. I got pissed off and wanted to prove his ass wrong and maybe built up some anger in me. I approached a girl and it didn't work out. Do you think its good to go into a set with a slightly angered mood?

1. Define what an opener "working" means to you. What do you think it's supposed to do?

2. Sports and games are different because they're of competitive nature to begin with, and even then bringing emotion into it is arguably not a very smart thing to do as it tends to make you a lose canon and opens you up to mistakes.
However if you feel the need to prove someone wrong, you care a little too much about what they have to think/say about you. And if you were confident enough in what YOU think about yourself, you wouldn't really care. At most you'd acknowledge it, but you wouldn't feel the need to prove them wrong, because you'd internally know they are wrong to begin with.

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Most of the time I am not very good at situation conversation openers. I like to start with a canned opener and once I get a feel for the person I feel more relaxed and can tease them and talk about situational type things. So do you think a canned opener would be good in order to get me in a talkative mode so that I can later get more situational and tease?

Have you considered that getting a feel for the person is holding you back? In seduction, one of the most valuable skills that you can have is being able to pull a woman into your way of thinking and not having to adjust to their thinking. You don't need a canned opener for that.

To answer your question, you know yourself and what it takes to get yourself into a talkative mood. If it takes a canned opener, use it.

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I think most of the guys do not pick up girls anymore. You asked a nice question op but it is obvious they do not have working one. It is understandable after some point leaving the routines and openers because once you are getting good with that, you are becoming naturally.

My tactic or opener based on observation, and calculating the dynamics. It dependw where you are or who she is. Firs of all i am trying to getting informations by obseving them for classifying. For example if she look s like a rocker my opener would be like that: hey, how are you? I have a question for you actually are you a rock listener . (it is obvious she is a rocker) so she says yeah, then i would ask ok i m just start to listen rock music it would b nice when you offer me a couple of good groups. And it goes on.

Another example: you are at the technical library, with the same way after a short observation process i would go to chick and i would ask and pick definely not hard topiv of question and for rewarding that chick at the end of the process, invite her for a coffe.

Women will accept most of your questions when they belive that they deserved.

It is always better to approach with acceptable reason for beating their bith shields/ reducing rejection rate/ able to control the conversation.

In summe, first observe and try to figure out what kinda chick is it. Make your plan in your head. Approach with acceptable reason/ ask they for their help with basical issues/ reward them with your behaviours.

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1) No.. Why? Why not just be normal and engage them like you would a friend.

2) Angered? No.. Motivated? Yes. And don't let anyone tell you that your standards are too high if they're legit. If you're just using that as your excuse to not approach thats a different story. A lot of guys run with that, despite knowing that would bang some of these girls if the girls walked up to them and asked to take them home. If you would bang her if she approached you and asked you to, you have no reason not to approach.

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