I agree and JackZero is showing great game.

If we were to compare game to the game of chess,then I would think of an opening move sequence going for coffee as a first meet up somewhat like an opening move a beginner would make trying to "fools mate" the other player in two moves which hardly ever works.

I think in terms of meeting for coffee then bouncing to another venue is more advanced than newbies would be able/comfortable to do so in their case, there are much more effective opening moves than coffee which is easy to get the girl out but harder for them to f-close.

If we take an extreme example, say she's a model(HB10) or something then she might genuinely always be too busy on an evening with her social life and a coffee during the day might be the only option and you'd be prepared to take any time she can give you. Its more high risk of failure but definitely better to always try and go for whatever you want in your life, than to never know if it could have worked.

I'm constantly surprised at the results you can achieve in your life if you simply stop over thinking things and try

But as I've said before if you're a newbie and meeting for coffee it probably wont work and you shouldn't really be gaming models because it will destroy your confidence/flakes etc.

If you're a seasoned player gaming a model and she is only available in the day then you would have the skillset to make a coffee date work anyway and she would want to see you again (probably for another coffee haha)

ChocolatePUA is dropping good stuff lol

He does do that. What thread are you referring to?

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Your question is the answer= you don't. In many professions, the axiom is= your expectation for the outcome will determine the steps to getting to that outcome and ultimately the outcome. If you have a negative expectation as a teacher that your students are no good, you will deliver poor curriculum; if you expectations are high that the students are ready to learn and are good, you will deliver the best and it will be apparent. If a chick does not show lascivious interest for your right away, you ain't gonna grow on her, nor is she every going to improve. Next.

Negative expectation:
Hi, let's get some coffee= I'm not sexually attracted to you but have nothing better to do with MY time. Your time is irrelevant...what was your name again?

Positive expectation:
Hey, let's go on picnic...to the marina...to the fort= romantic, it's on sexually.
Let's spend the weekend together, Friday or Saturday?= sex, dead serious, stay or go.

Keep your money in your wallet, and your Trojans in your pocket.

I don't know, coffee dates have a special place in my dating arsenal. Lets see. I would definitely take coffee date say over a movie date and a dinner date any day.



The coffee date is used sparingly for me, I display my personality, and if things need to be moved, I suggest going somewhere else, or walking down the strip like couples do. No biggie. I have gotten sexual on some of my coffee dates because I tend to take mundane convos and go on to risky topics.

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I hate coffee and dinner dates, they are so boring..

I will still ask a girl out for coffee in a insta date situation if there is a coffee shop near by. I'll do the "Hey, i'm going to go grab a coffee want to join me"

I can report that in the "field", number closing for coffee is totally fine and then just texting her later for whatever. To any lily whites or white knights out there, this is not "LYING"; saying "let's get a coffee sometime" is colloquial for "let's meet up some time." A meetup at the coffee shop is something I never would do.

Going for coffee or dinner is more of a thing you do after the main date if it goes well. If your going for dinner I would goto a cuasul diner. Only thing is were i live there is not much to go out to do other then coffee,dinner or movies

A dinner date is a privilege for both of you. Only after such time as the two of you have f-closed. IMO.

The date format for day game, goes as follows.

1. The initial approach,
-1a.attempt a insta date if possible(ie coffee)
2. Obtain number
3. Send her a sort text, and arrange to phone her.
4. Phone her, have a short phone conversation, and arrange a date.
5. Go on a date somewhere that is Fun, and most importantly where you can move her around, IE: Theme park. Mini-putt, Bowling, Arcade, a walk in the park(if you have no other choice)
6. Go for dinner somewhere
7. Bang her:p

Hi Neo, I am enjoying reading the replies in this thread and I was wondering how you would persuade the girl to want to bounce back to your place for drinks after a cup of coffee without her wanting to eject. I would say not enough rapport and comfort has been built say in a 20 minute coffee. Any tips/suggestions mate?

Coffee dates are giving you the way to build some rapport and comfort. It let the chicks know you more. And also they are good for foreplays, after a coffee you can make another additional plan for another places. It create also false time constraints , with other words chicks will yothink that know you since long time. For later bight coffee dates mean also nice way to offer fuck, if you invite the chick to your home. They cost cheaper. If you pivk nice place with view, you can impress her. Coffee dates can decrease flakey rate. In summe, i find this type of date very usefull IMO.

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I always turn down an offer to a coffee date from a woman. I just tell them I have been to all the cafes too many times, I don't like coffee or that I have a much more exciting place to show them, which would be a place where I regularly isolate and escalate.

Coffee-related date works for me for girls I meet online / Tinder and I want to screen them first without investing too much time or money since I always pay for the first date.

When I say coffee related it means that I choose a particular coffee shop which is located next to the sea, it has small park and grass area, outdoor seating area, benches, beautiful view of the city's skyline in the night. Always take the coffee / cake as take away, sit on the parapet wall over and next to the sea and chill. Then can have a short walk across the pedestrian walkway which stretches a few kilometers.

For me a combined activity of grabbing a coffee and a bite and walk somewhere in close proximity is perfect and the particular setting has a certain feel to it that makes someone relax and be romantic at the same time.

A 90 minute strictly indoors, meet, sit down, get a coffee date is not the same as a 90 minute: go to coffee shop, get take away, walk to find a place to sit, sit for a while, use a paper to draw something funny, walk a bit more etc. Choose a place in an area where there is things to do.

Equal everything else, the more activities and different places you will go with a woman in a certain set of time the more comfortable she will feel in comparison to staying to that one same place all the time.

Female here.

No coffee date for me has ever led to the guy getting laid. Was kind of a turn off in fact.