I usually meet girls at bars or cafes. I walk to a girl, I say that she caught my eye and it would be nice if she would give me her number in order to meet for a coffee later in the week. is that too quick? do I seem desperate?

What are your results like when you use this opener? If it gets them to meet up with you later, it doesn't matter what we think of your approach.

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I try to become a PUA lately, so I am not experienced enough. This is a new opener for me, so I cannot make up my mind. This is why I ask.

The best thing to do is try it out.

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I try it out lately, I got 4 "no" during my Saturday night out. Have you ever tried a similar approach?

If you don't get what I'm trying to do...it's more about getting you to approach rather than worrying if something is going to work or not. You're going to figure out that there are things that one guy will have tremendous success with and the next guy will never make work.

I will tell you this about your opener. Initially, you need to be really attractive to the girl in order to make it work.

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Years ago when I was new at this I did the same thing and there is no need to test this method, bc it's been tested tons of times already by tons of other men. If you read anything at all you will know why this method is terrible. With this approach, you are putting yourself into the category with most other guys ie which will usually get you no where. Most men have weak verbal game, and in order to increase your chances of success, you need to stand out. I think you need to do at least a bit more reading of pickup materials...

Put your feet in the other shoes; if some random guy walks up to you, asks you for your number, and you know nothing about him, would you give him it? I certainly wouldn't. Yes even ANOTHER GUY.

In order to raise your "success" #s, you need to demonstrate you're valuable as a male and form a connection in some way. Think of your GUY friends; Mine I connected with b/c videogames, pickup, sports, ie common connection. The same applies to girls. There is too much for me to type on this, you need read more about pickup.

If an attractive girl asked for my number, i would definitely give it out. This is how I do things. So, do I have to engage in some chit-chat in order to create a connection and propose a night out? I would also like to know if you approach girls without eye contact.

You're not an attractive girl, sorry buddy. For you as a guy, driving a Ferrari would make you the equivalent of a hot woman for example.

If you want success, high value chit chat (inuendos, jokes, analogies, wordplay, making fun of yourself, witty comebacks, and the like) is critical to have with your 'target'.

A personal rule of mine is to not approach unless I'm given eye contact. That also increases your chances of success.

I disagree with this for the reason that guys that tend to read pickup stuff are usually the worst because most of it is garbage. However, if you approach and get successes and failures you will start realizing when things are going wrong and you'll start seeing your strengths. That's when you go and read because you'll have a better understanding of the concepts because you'll have real life experience to backup what you've read.

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Again, if he read anything, he'd know why his approaches failed 4/4 times. No one said don't approach and just read.

Flirting is a number's game, right? I read a lot of stuff, but I have to adjust the info on my personality. I am willing to improve, so I ask for your help. I do my best, but I can still do better.

One of the guys that I used to hang out with when I was younger used to walk around with a pen and a pad. He'd actually put that pen and pad in a girls hand and said write down your phone number without an opening. This worked because he was a guy that most women found extremely good looking and he was extremely confident because of that. If my friend would have read that his technique didn't work, he would have never tried it.

Failing 4/4 times isn't exactly testing it out. It's almost at the level of he really didn't try to hard. At some point, if he's aware, he'll be able to see exactly where things are going wrong and adjust that approach if he tries it enough times.

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As I mentioned above, flirting is a number's game.Some girls will like it, a lot will find it creepy or desperate. Actually, I dont care! I am sure that I will eventually have success with it, but this is not my point. I want to improve my skills and find what is best for me in order to raise my success rate

This is the reason for my original response. Try it out and see if it works or not. You won't need anyone else's input unless you are stuck somewhere on it.

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