Although I'm generally too absorbed in things other than getting laid but I just had to see if that book I read was a beautifully written ploy to separate desperate young men from their money, or if it was a working system. So, since I started using pick up as a system, I've got 5 notches in my belt for 2 approaches. More on that one.

It works.

I'm not going to go into details. Read "The Game" by Neil Strauss- my experience could have been verbatim what was written. There are some exceptions though. I don't have anybody to "Sarge" with me where I'm at. I'm somewhat new to this area and most of the people in my socio-economic group frown upon this type of endeavor.

I really only had to meet 2 girls but I was looking for the right girls- they were not the target but in a social setting I was able to ascertain that they were the ones that a large social circle and were the "alphas" of their group. If they love you everyone else will. I have yet to close on them, just their friends. This has been a truly enjoyable experience. I have met with and connected with people in a way that I never have before.

Here are my suggestions to anyone starting out like me: Be open to deviations in your target selection. Be prepared to spend at least 7 hours before closing. FUCKING KISS HER.

The game is the exact reason why guys fall into the habit of mental masturbation.

It's a shit book about a shit lifestyle about shit people that were more often than not suicidal.

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I never read it, what is it about?

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Apparently shitty, suicidal people. And possibly masturbation.

Its a book. There is too much crap in there to really call it a guide, but I pulled some really good stuff out of it. Really, what you SHOULD get out of it is this: invest in yourself first. Get some decent looking threads, don't be afraid to look different, and at least *pretend* you have a personality. Second of all, getting laid isn't the only goal. It's one of two. Goal one should be CONNECT. People like people that are interesting AND interested. Negs is teasing. Be a fucking human and don't be afraid. Really, the reason I think most guys have a hard time is because they choke at the finish line. It happened to me before too. Finally: FUCKING KISS HER

Lol, I love that.

Yeah, OP, I'd take 'the game' with a pinch of salt. The community has evolved a lot since.

Whether getting laid is hard or not is both subjective and relative to the individual and situation.

I still can never understand the problem with The Game. The book STATES that it's a shit lifestyle, the book STATES that the people are shit, it STATES that they were suicidal. It bashes the lifestyle, it calls to attention how weird everything is, it details the psychosis of most of the characters, it describes how weird the tactics and people are, and makes it clear by the end that Style and many others had made alot of mistakes in their journey. It doesnt glorify using weird stuff to get women...its a story of a guy using weird stuff and then by the end telling you he see's how stupid it is. Its not telling you Mystery is a god, he got hot chicks and you should be like him. It calls him a weird scrawny emotionally messed up person and actually tells you to avoid becoming like that. Its a story...Just like if you read a story about a guy who did drugs for a while and got clean...the book isnt tellin you to do drugs.

Its not a manual and was never marketed as such. Its tag line is "penetrating the secret society of PUAs", not "How to seduce women" or something like that. Take it for what it is, a story about a guy "penetrating a society of PUA's", telling you openly how fucked up everything is, and then telling you that it's nonsense by the end. I don't know if guys are taking notes from the book without finishing it. "Fight club" isnt a manual telling you to start a fight club. My advice to a newbie reading it, is to read the whole thing. Dont get fascinated by the stories of sleeping with hot chicks, read the whole thing and use your head about how the writer is describing it. If you pull out from it that you gotta do everything the writer says is nonsense and describes as weird, then dont read another story in your life. Because if you read an autobiography about an old rockstar or something, you'll pull out of that to do drugs and party, while missing the whole message of the book. By the end he tells you directly whats important clearly, improving your appearance and fitness, being yourself and making moves. And I cant see anyway that the community has progressed since then past those final ideas.

i found the game only inspring. nothing much. best thing that you can learn from this book is "have balls and sarge, even if fail and keep improving yourself always".

like other posters said, it was long time ago and it is not avtual right now.

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I think it's about making an ass load of $$$ for Neil Strauss.

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It's probably because of the fact that it is an absolute crock of shit. Products came from the release of that book for people to buy. If he was totally not for promoting the lifestyle he was supposedly living then he wouldn't of released 'the rules of the game' and set up his own style life academy to teach all the techniques that he'd supposedly learnt to attract women after it. Also, the mystery method and a few more other things were promoted from it. It might not be a manual but the fucking chapters are named in the sequence of the step by steps they supposedly took too seduce women. Now style is peddling a new book called the truth which is supposedly against the lifestyle that he lived for a small while back then, yet he still keeps his PUA training stuff up. It is like updating a computer with some new hardware, then actually telling the user that the hardware is actually a virus, then trying to sell them the cure for the virus further. The book reeks of low self esteem, which I think is exactly the target market he was going for. If you look at Strauss I think it's pretty evident he's not a guy who could ever get top notch pussy and really had no plans of becoming that guy either. He is not a natural player and the only thing I think he were interested in were the bucks.

Since its release the community has changed A LOT. Pick up is not just " improving your appearance and fitness, being yourself and making moves", that is fucking bullshit. Game is actually an entire lifestyle choice, it should be the lifestyle choice of a bachelor/player. That is what game should be all about, and I think although at the moment it still attracts a lot of retards because of what it has previously been marketed as, natural game is coming more and more into fruition as more and more guys who are good are figuring new shit out. Plenty of guys have contributed new ideas to the community since then, and a lot of the old ideas have been disproved or are now laughed at from the guys that are actually good. I think many guys now see through the bullshit charade of a lot of the old coaches, and more and more guys in the community now get laid more because of better advice being given. Daygame has gotten more popular, a lot of guys see the benefits of improving themselves and their lives overall in order to attract women, the importance of inner game has been understood better by some, and new pick up techniques have been brought to the mainstream of the community.

There is still more quackery than solid advice. There are still shit companies that teach shit. There are still newbs that haven't improved anything in years and probably never will. I think there is only a small percent that really 'get it' and actually live the lifestyle. But it would be stupid to say that the community hasn't gotten better and advanced over the last 10 years or so.

The other thing is... pick up is not weird and it's bad for your inner game to think that it is.

Most pick up is weird. It's not weird because of what it is, but because of the industry built around. They have corrupted the most simple concepts that actually work and complicate them so much that it is not possible to make work. Even the concept of inner game isn't used correctly anymore.

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Really just common sense human nature kinds of discoveries, exploited by a few latent homosexual's in Halloween costumes on reality TV banging skinny dip shit 6's and calling them 10's, talk about validation whores.

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I totally agree. The community has attracted a lot of weirdo's because of the content that has been put out previously. Most of the guys that do a lot of this stuff do make it weird by the way that they approach it, and products such as the game don't make it any better. This is why I don't associate with most guys who follow the teachings of certain companies, I pick up solo 95% of the time and I rarely wing with other guys unless they have a similar understanding to game as myself.

But the community recently has seen a lot of new and refreshing approaches. A lot of the guys who post on here offer solid advice that is not weird at all. There is a lot to get from game and pick up if you really do it right, and I think a small percent of guys in this community are cool as fuck and really understand that. You're right, a lot of game has been corrupted, it has attracted a lot of losers, most guys don't do it right, but my point was that there are a small handful of guys who have added value and put forward good ideas despite this and do get laid like Rockstars. This is one area where the community has progressed.

So pick up is not weird and it can actually be very awesome. It is just certain subsets in the wider community that take an uncalibrated approach and masturbate themselves mentally to death as they do star jumps to warm themselves up in city centers that are weird. But that is not in my opinion what the community should stand for, and although stuff like this is still prevalent, there has been a lot of the community that do get the concepts that work and do a great job of getting girls and also sharing how to really get them in more recent years than there were at the start.

Going out and meeting girls is completely natural and in my genes. Game is a great way for me to constantly self develop, push my comfort zones and get the best quality women I can. For me personally... game, pick up and seduction is not weird at all and I will never think that it is. Thinking that it is would only be detrimental to my own game.

If you get my point?

Pick up was elevated to rock science and we see those self-called gurus having theoretical discutions about techniques to approach women, they seem like philosophers discussing rationalism, instrumentalism and whatever.
I only had patience to read one book: be relentless from David X. Other that I read parts of The Way of the Superior Man, Double Your Dating and Real World Seduction.

About The Game, I read some parts also, but it was overly complicated. It is the only book translated into portuguese, so I guess it's the most successful book about pick up, but it's also one of the reason why I believe those called gurus are a bunch of weirdos. They over complicate what is simple.

First, I never said PU was weird. I said, that in the book, the writer does weird stuff ie negs and tactics, extra flambouyant clothing and describes most of the characters as being weird. All of that is true. Now if you dont think that a guy wearing crazy clothing and using negs and getting hypnotized is weird, then ok, but that doesnt mesh with when you say the new guys laugh at the older ways. So if the older stuff I was describing as weird is not weird, why would it be a source of laughter today for the "guys today that are actually good."? Either way, I was describing what happened in the book as it was even described as being weird...thats not even close to saying that pu is weird.

Next point is, even if I did see PU as weird...what does that have to do with MY inner game? What does that have to do with me? I could very well think PU is weird, has nothing to do with me if I'm not labelling myself a "PUA"...even then if my "inner game" is attached to whether I use routines or not, or I am natural or not, then how is that really strong inner game in the first place? I'm focusing on that statement because just that alone shows a misunderstanding of what inner game or confidence is, if you believe that my perception of the community, tactics, meeting women or whatever, would have any bearing on how I feel about MYSELF.

But anyways, I never said PU was weird.
You speak on things AFTER the book when I'm talking about the book itself. Do I think Style made a money grab after the book? Sure. Do I think he peddles bootcamps after the books success. Sure. But please, read the book. The book itself talks about the nonsense he was doing. By the end he is talking about meeting the woman for him WITHOUT the tactics and outlandish clothing. The book doesnt mesh up with his products after, but then you cant say that the book is whats telling guys to not be themselves, when the end of the book is telling you to be yourself and telling you that the guys who relied on tactics were messed up emotionally and suicidal. The guy is a writer, who wrote a book, it got popular, then he went on to teach against what he said was best in the book.
I thought "being yourself, making moves and improving your appearance" was vague, but come on lol. PU is about a lifestyle choice is the vaguest thing to say there.

This "PU has progeressed" is thrown around, I'll break it down here:
Vague. Natural game has been out for years.

Are guys today better than they were when the Game came out? Nope. Are guys getting good in a year now, whereas around the Game period, they had to wait 2 years? Nope. Is it easier for a newbie today? Nope. Has the community birthed something that makes it easier for guys to get laid? Or get a gf?

I dont see more guys getting laid from the community than they did several years ago. The community is always great for getting guys to approach, but the success hasnt really changed. The decent looking guys get results eventually and get better, the not so good looking guys are in the same funks. Yes it has. Even then, lets be real. Most guys doing day game dont get good, and they do day game because they're too chicken to hit a bar. A few guys are doing better with incorporating day game, but the majority, at least from who I meet, are not. Just like online game. A few guys are using it right. But MOST are making a tinder, writing some messages to get a couple dates a month and not approaching at all.
Self improvement was always big in the community. Damn...the game itself talks about him having to tan, whiten his teeth, read, get fit, become a better lover, travel. Say whatever about the book, but you cant say it doesnt stress the importance of handling all these things before you even speak to a woman.
Its funny you say this...how is this different from Mystery or style's thinking with Project Hollywood? That was a player/bachelor lifestyle choice. See, you say these things that make it sound closer to a book written a decade ago, but you're trying to say things have changed? Dont you know that the whole "Lifestyle" stuff STARTED back then? How is anything different if according to you, your definition of game is how they lived in the book? Maybe yours is different because they used routines and you're natural, but what is the difference?
Would you not call Style's actions in the game an ENTIRE lifestyle choice?
It's not mainstream though. There was a book, and a VH1 show that sucked in ratings. Every year or 2 Law and Order will have an episode, where some guy will say the word neg or is PUA. It hasnt been brought more to the mainstream any more than anything else that gets a mention now and then. I find it funny when guys (not you) act like PU is mainstream, because a chick will know the word "pick up artist"...as if its not a word that was used a couple DECADES ago. Superheros have been brought to the mainstream. Pickup, no. It got a book, an a reality show when there were reality shows on everything.

See, truth is, pu hasnt PROGRESSED. Oh its CHANGED, but I used the word PROGRESSED. The vast majority of the guys in the community are TERRIBLE. Today and years ago. An average guy comes in, he learns to approach and he gets some success. A below average guy, typically fails. There was never a consistent pattern of average guys pulling tens or getting laid like rockstars back then, or now. Whether its Mystery Method or new stuff, the material has changed, but still hasnt progressed in terms of actual results for most. See, the average guy who comes to the community because he's socially awkward, most likely unattractive and insecure. Give him MM or Models, and its gonna be the same.

As you say Yes. And that small percent hasnt changed since 10 years ago. Do you think that 10 years ago, the average to good looking guys in the community werent getting laid alot? That 10 years women werent fucking dudes who approached them at bars because they opened with "who lies more." Its just marketing bs man, in 10 years, there will still be a small percent getting laid from PU, and they'll say things have changed.

I'm in a rush so my response may seem more aggressive than intended. But I'll pose a question to you...tell me about the new guys today who are getting laid easier than 5-10 years ago with PU? Tell me how those same guys would have not gotten laid using MM 10 years ago? See, I'm not even a MM guy, but what the community really is important for is getting guys out of their rooms to meet women. And sex just happens, whether your opener was indirect or direct or whether your innergame is tight or not.