Guys, where do you draw the line between not selling yourself at less than fair value and acting like a prima donna?
Under what circumstances do you think it's appropriate to make clear that you're not tolerating certain behavior and when to act liberal?

I am dealing with this girl that is still that is still in a rs, although claimed she was not really happy and told me it was dangling on a string. She's been flaking on me a couple of times but goes crazy when I walk away or when she sees me with other girls. 3 months ago when she thought she'd lose me, she proposed to go for a beer and explained to me she was afraid of getting too close cuz she didn't know if she could resist, but didn't want to cheat on her bf.

After a lot more struggling we set up another meeting yesterday night. It told her to hit me up after she was done with an appointment that should have taken until 9 or 9:30 approximately. After not having heard from her until 11:30 i would call her. She wouldn't answer but text me:

"Hey! I'm about done now! What about you? I'm pretty tired, are you free tomorrow morning? If no we meet tonight!"

The fact that she only proposed to meet after I called her and when she probably felt she didn't have a chance to escape, for she would lose me otherwise, kinda took the whole fun out if it. I assumed I couldn't expect much of a change of the situation and did not respond.
She finally called me twice around 1 a.m., texted me in the morning "reas0n?" as well as she wrote me on Whats App "Tell me, what's wrong?".

What do you honestly think? Under the given circumstances, am I bitching around or is it the right choice that I'm not taking whatever I can get, no matter how she behaves? I really don't know where to draw the line.

Wait...how long have you known this girl? It sounds like too long.

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I guess you're right. I met her first in June last year, had an instant date in beginning of July. She took me to her place, we ended up chilling in bed until the very morning and she revealed she had feelings for me but didn't want to make out before she cleared things with her still bf. We were then separated for 3 months during summer break and it took a while until we got accustomed to each other again. But since November it was constant up and downs.
I was lookin for different girls too, don't worry. It's probably not worth any effort.

Nonetheless I'd highly appreciate to get any answer to my question, wether to my specific case or in general (as i asked in the very beginning of my post).

You draw the line when you stick your dick in her.

It's too difficult to answer this question because I don't know what you're getting out of this that's not worth losing. You obviously have some feelings for this girl because it's been almost a year. Since then her relationship hasn't been bad enough to break up with her boyfriend but at the same time she's stringing you along.

If it were me and I wanted more than just friendship and she wasn't giving it to me, that would be the time for me to get out.

So the thing you should be thinking about is is it fair that she's getting what she wants from you and you're not getting what you want from her?

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Pretty simple shit. Your biggest problem right now is you haven't fucked her and it's been a year. Had you fucked her at least once, this is easier.

She doesn't respect your seduction abilities nor your confidence. Make your intentions clear with a simple text with no hemming and hawing:

"9:30 at Bar Z"

Don't ask her, don't mill about.

If she says she cant, tell her to text you when shes free to Netflix and chill.

I'm serious. She doesn't respect your sexual forcefulness. Women who are on the fence can sometimes be turned on by brazen texts.

Then let it go and walk away. Never text her again unless you hear from her.

She's a fat cat right now playing with you, the mouse. Be the dog.

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OP this is a girl with a boyfriend. And you keep treating her as if she were single.

She has a man. Walls are up. And they will stay up until you tear them down. You need to be a bit extra decisive with girls that are giving you signs yet are taken. Because they want that "it just happened" and "I couldn't help myself" vibe.

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I smell trouble.

You're probably too attached to this chick, judging by the fact that this has gone on for months.

PS - her "appointment" was quite likely with her boyfriend, which is why she couldn't call back. Her flaking is probably because of her bf as well.

After months of this going on, it's OBVIOUS that she's not going to break up with her boyfriend. Why should she when she gets all the attention that she wants from you? If you're up for just having sex, then YOU have to push for it, get her to yours (or hers) and get down to it, although I'm sure she's going to give you lots of resistance and I'm not sure she's worth it either.

I'd also highly caution you from a relationship with this chick, which by the sounds of it you're seriously contemplating if she does break up with her bf.

i like this plus it lets you no where you stand, if she not down for dates and keeps making excuses she's not into you bro, girls will do mad shit when they actually want to see you

Don't listen to a single thing she says, pay attention to what she does.
Who's dangling who here? Teach women how you'll be treated, buy what you'll allow.

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Well, how would you behavior if you with one of your guy friends?

It's not really rocket science, if you don't feel like doing something, you simply say “I don't feel like doing that”.

If you do feel like doing something you do it.

Are you living for her you? Because it literally sounds like right now her pussy is controlling all your behavior, and you’re willing to exhibit whatever behavior you think is going to get her to give you what you want.

In what way is this alpha? It sounds like the definition of a beta male. Except, instead of being the nice guy, you’re still trying to could submit to whatever behavior you think is going to get her to be attracted to, instead of having the balls to say and do whatever the fuck you want to say and do.

Basically, by telling you she’s not happy in your dangling on a string, she saying she’s the one who gets to decide the terms of the relationship.

If she wants to walk away, tell her to walk, but either way, tell her you’re not changing because she’s insecure and she needs to make up her damn mind, because I can guarantee if you did this to her, she wouldn’t sit around waiting for you to “snap out of it”, she’d find another guy who gives her what she wants.

I’ve had a girl like the one you’re describing in that text. Tell her to pick up the damn phone and call you, if you promise to call you a couple of hours earlier and didn’t she’s already disrespected you, she already has control, and she won’t even pick up the phone.

Again, I’ve had this happen to me personally, and I can almost guarantee she’s with another guy, and anyone who’s been through that experience will agree with me, because many of us have seen it, and live through it.

Tell her she needs to grow up and change, if she really wants to be with you, she will, if not them, find a woman who’s actually going to respect you.

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