Hey guys, Im having a serious problem with my game....

I feel I've mastered the 7's of this world... My game is a flamboyant opening, cheeky, fun and challenging.. 1st date unique, interesting locations, 2nd date at my house with full escalation and F- Closes.. very little LMR.

However when I use the same game with 8+ (usually bar girls and hired guns).. I get the phone number, sometimes a first date then lagged responses with texts or calls, even with creative, emotional provoked messages ( they do have 10 other guys messaging them) and very little response after that...

Ive found that HB's want attention more than meetups or perhaps guys who do what they want (beta guys), I prefer to lead.. Its not working and im at that stuck point... Ive always been told that these women want dominant guys, but its looking like they prefer to have it their own way and dont like someone leading them...

I hope someone can show me what im doing wrong and give me some good advice...

Some chicks like pick up men. So i think different methods like making more negs could be useful. U can loeer their ego in front of the other people.

Mystery method is working too. Ignore the chick, make negs and take bitchs number. Text game should be tough too..

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So many wide ranging theories on what 8-10's want. So far I've read on this forum that they want a guy with "balls of steel" and now you're saying they want a beta guy so they get their own way.

There is no such thing as mastering 7's. The only thing that you have done is believe that you can get a 7 easily, but what you consider an 8 or above is a new challenge. The truth to me sounds like you aren't really good with women yet. Unique first dates with interesting locations sounds like compensation for you being interesting. You can distract them with a backdrop, but if your personality or what you're trying to project doesn't hold up you won't get that following meetup. If your goal is to impress them enough to want to give you a shot, then you're competing with 99% of all the guys out there.

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