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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 4:10 am 
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For a while I had a huge stocking point. (In cold approach)After a shit load of effort I got to the point where I could hold amazing conversation,then to where I could carry even lead an interaction which was mind blowing, then I could overlay kino to the point that I felt I had solid "game". But. I knew I had no followthrough. I couldn't close if you had a glock to my head. so...

A few weeks ago I wanted to try a little day game at a cafe in my area. 100% cold approach, I entered venue and opened an hb 7 blonde. We had an amazing interaction. We had gotten to that all familiar point post isolation where you must number close or go for kiss close. For some reason I stalled and couldn't close and gave a polite yet awkward farewell. I knew something was wrong. About the same time a pua I was following introduced the idea that it's never the girl but the process that's the problem in an interaction. So broke down my "natural" game and decided to read up on juggler and old mm.

Something stood out to me in old MM. This a3 thing. It was some mystical magical point where the hb was to qualify her ass to the pua. I had not experienced this. I often went straight from dhv(ing) to rapport/ comfort/ isolation. I was curious so I returned to the same cafe, dropped my natural bull shit and tried MM. An early freeze kicked in as soon I thought about what I was doing so I decided to work the room.

I open a group of guys sitting by sitting by them and commenting on one of their football attire. We chat for a while then I get back into pua mode then find and open a ug who just got in line by commenting that

"Wow. Your on time"

To which she replies curiously
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UG: to what?

I Point
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Tidal_:the new barista just got in when you did. I hate when you walk in they have a tude, you know?
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UG: Mhmm
She nods
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when I was in Seattle....
blah blah bla we fluff for a while then I spot an hb 8 brunie sitting alone at the far end of the cafe. I politely dismiss myself from the ug and head for the hb 8.

I inch closer. That inching turns into a speedy walk. I walk past her, stop, then do a fake double take as if seeing her for the first time. She looks up at me then shoots a smile in my direction.Then I open

Tidal_: hey, I was walking by...and you looked like you were having so...much fun here (sarcastically), I just had to come say hi

Hb: ha ha

Tidal
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hi , I'm Tidal_
then I outstretch my hand.

Hb 8:
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ha ha hi I'm ha ha Ashley.
We then fluff for 2ish minutes. Then she mentions that we've met once before and do not I remember her.
In my head, I'm thinking "oh shit!" I had been approaching no less than 5 chicks a day for weeks and twice I unwittingly reopened an old set. One a failure and the other a fuck and dump. But what comes out is
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"Oh yah, think we did...yah you were the girl with the...hair and funny laugh at the save...the puppies rally, right?"
delivered with a cocky smile.

Ashley: ha ha noo we...[blah blah]

Turns out that I opened one of her friends as a warm up at the local uni. She was nearbye at the time. I quickly drop the topic, then ask why she chose this uni instead of our districts best or studied abroad.we then talk about her desire to travel. She reveals that she has lived in our city her whole life and I counter with a dhv on travel."
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Tidal_: so you've been her your whole life?
Ashley:mhmmm
Tidal_: Is that a good thing?
Ashley:no, well, yah i kinda like it here
I give her a skeptical look with a cocked up eyebrow
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Ashley: no, ha ha. I really do.
Tidal_: I really admire that. It means you're grounded.I would kill for that. As a kid, I moved around alot. Always new faces, always new places. I love a grounded girl, she really knows who she is and what she wants in life. BUT.....she's not afraid to take chances.....blah blah blah( made up a bullshit cold read as i went along.)
Ashley: Ha Ha. (forgot what she said after that)
Tidal_:That must mean all your friends and family are down here
Ashley: yah [blah blah blah]
I lay the bait
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Tidal_: Man I really do miss my friends( i had moved to my current locale a few months ago), especially this time of year....

Ashley:(Taking bait) why? what do you mean?

Tidal: When i used to live out east, I'd always take a trip back home to Boston and catch up with some friends. but I cant do that this year cause we are so far west. It's not too bad though, except for maybe one thing I really, really liked doing with the guys...

Ashley: hmmm...what was it?

Tidal_: nah...you don't wanna know

Ashley: I doooo! I doooo!

Tidal_: well....you like to do crazy things with your friends right?

Ashley: umm...no, not really. we don't really do much.

Tidal_: Oh come on, i know you've seen a reaaaalllly, cute guy(thumbs motioning at myself)...and just pushed(pushing but in my personal direction) your friend into him?

Ashley: Well, there was this one time...


Tidal: AHa! So there was a cute guy! ( again motioning at myself)

Ashley:Ha Ha yahh, we were out at the mall and [blah blah blah]

Tidal: See...I knew you were fun. Well, me and my friends used to do crazy stuff like that too but there w as this one thing. It's called the polar plunge. Oh yah. It's pretty cold up here. I'm sure you've got to have done it , right?

Ashley:(looking really confused) No...what's that?

Tidal_: what? are you serious? You've got to know what that is?

Ashley: ha ha, no what is it?

Tidal_: hmm..your pretty "adventurous", I'm sure you've done it. Maybe you guys have a different name for it here......well, I know! wanna take a test?

Ashley: what kind of test?

Tidal_: A fun one

Ashley:ha ha

Tidal_:don't worry, It'll just tell me if you've done this before

Ashley: okaaaayyyy( smiling but cautious)
I run a mini yes ladder, I tell her its unrelated to the "test"
Q1: I ask, are you human?( answer is always yes with a bit of confusion)

I then interrupt and lay an open loop. this time it's "this is a completely random question, but are you vegan?" I'm always looking for a no. then i tell a dhv story about all the vegan chicks I have over at my place and how they are prudes
then back to the ladder.
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Q2: I ask, Are you open minded?( the response is a yes, because she is somewhat pressured )

Q3: I ask, Are you observant? (this chick, seemed a bit puzzled by this statement)

Ashley: ummm...I don't kno..

Tidal_: (cutting her off) Well, do you have eyes?

Ashley:um...yahhh?

Tidal_: do you see see things with them?

Ashley: mhmmm

Tidal_: meaning that you are...

Ashley: ha. ha. observant?

Tidal_; so , are you observant?

Ashley: ha. ha. yes.



I normally run game on a 2 phase shift stack. i don't do heavy kino before the first phaseshift. And at the second, I enter rapport and close. Believe it or not, It took me this long to get 3 solid IOI(s). so at this point i phase shifted and entered a kino dhv I came up with a few months ago. It's called "coals". 90% of my kino is done here.

It involves a predefined condition. Ex; Whether or not she has polar plunged (look up polar plunge if you don't know what it is).
And the test which is "coals". procedurally, I ask for her hand like in a palm read. typically they are cautious but after the 3 IOI(s) they will do what you tell them. First, I ask for her hand and grasp it softly from beneath(palm up), then I ask the girl to close her palm. then I ask her to open. Then i repeat the process 3 times until she is fairly comfortable. Then I ask her to raise her arm (index pointed to the ceiling) like she's giving me a hi5. Then i say "why not just give me the hi5?" which she does.

This HB8 brunie gives me the Hi5, then she kind of giggles. i notice her body language is now open. Legs uncrossed, fully facing me. then i move into the coals part of "coals".

i take her hand in my palms and close it
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Tidal_: (closing the open loop) Since, your not a vegan, I take it that you've been to a barbecue?

Ashley: Mmmhmm

Tidal: And you've seen a grill?

Ashley:yah

Tidal: Ok. describe it to me. What's at the top of the grill?
With a little prodding i get her to say the " the lid"

from there i ask her, in turn, what is under the lid? To which she responds "the meat", then I ask, what is under the meat, to which she responds, "the grill". Then I ask what is under the grill? The smarter the girl the sooner they come to the conclusion of coal and/ or charcoal. this brunie was not the brightest apple in then orchard. With a little more I prodding got her to say "charcoal is under the grill".

At this point i ask her to describe the Coal. Default response is "its hard and black". This chick tells me that as well. then i ask her to describe to me what happens when it gets warm. Obviously, coal turns white but for this example I prompt her to picture it turning yellow, then orange, then red at its hottest. While she and I have this discussion, i lightly tap her shoulders then back off slightly.

after a little more convo, I draw in the distance between us again, still with her hand in mine. I tap her left shoulder while her hand is in my right, then i ask her to close her eyes (i draw in to her a few centimeters here) and I ask her to visualize the coal cold black coal resting on her shoulder. At this point, I ask her to take a deep breath and hold it in as she pictures the coal getting warmer. The coal now turns yellow. i ask her to repeat the process taking a deep breath as the coal turns orange.

Hb8 brunie starts giggling in excitement, maybe anticipation? then i Take my 2 fingers( right index and middle) and lay them by my left arm on her shoulder and i ask her to picture the coal rolling down her arm with my 2 fingers in the direction of her palms. I gently roll my to fingers into her palm and ask her to close her palm. She closes it twice under my direction then i ask her to open it so i can see the results
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Ashley: ha ha

Tidal_: ok, so i realize your hands have gotten warmer, did you notice that?

Ashley: mhmm yah totally (her eyes have kind of glazed over by this point) - and no. her palms are no warmer than when i started- :lol:

Tidal_:Well, lemme tel you what the polar plunge is. (i tell her what it is with a dhv on making my friends do it)

Ahley: wow. thats crazy. you did that?

Tidal_: nah, its not that bad, I'm sure you do stuff like that all the time. but i can kind of tell you haven't done it before.

Ashley:ha ha. definitely. but how?

Tidal_: When we go through traumatic experiences, the polar plunge being one of them, there are certain biophysical changes are bodies go through. Normally for people, their hands get warmer after that "test". but if you were to run that on me, my hands would actually get colder.

Ashley: wow [blah blah blah- forgot what was said after this]

Tidal: yah, totally true. After doing the polar plunge there is this really deep cold that rests inside your bones . And...it doesn't ever leave you
After all that I've finally gotten my 3 next IOIs and i phase shift into rapport/isolation. I close more distance with her to the point that i feel her heat and keep her hand in mine.

we talk about a little more travel. dream destinations, and i tease her about being finishing uni to be a traveling doing bussiness and traveling the world. i then tease her on which occupation she wanted as a child, "mermaid princess right?" them she reveals that she secretly wanted to be a singer as a child, to which I respond
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Tidal_: like Taylor Swift?

Ashley: Oh god. no
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Tidal_: what, really?

Ashley: I can't stand her!

Tidal_: but she;s America's sweet heart? (sarcastically with a cocky smile)

Ashley: Ha ha. no more like Katy Perry. I loved her as a kid.

Tidal_: wow. I admire that. i think you could actually do it. In fact...
Dunno what happened to me. Maybe it was all that MM reading i did. At this point i instinctively ran U shaped smiles Vs. C shaped smiles. I passed it off as somethning my ex read in cosmo. As i said it, I couldn't believe what was coming out of my mouth. I have never used anything from Neil before in my life.
But for this instance i subbed out Spears for Perry and Miley Cyrus for Agulerra.

The HB8 was eating it all up. I was about to close and then randomly out of nowhere she mentions that she plays soccer and that she is on a travelling team playing a game in L.A next week. I realized she was qualifying herself to me. I had to fight back the laughter in my head as i finally realized that I'd encountered this mysterious A3 phase in M.M. Feeling pretty good about myself i close out with a number close instead of kiss because a bunch of people had sat around us during "coals". wanted to end on a good note. After snagging her number, i pushed for a hug goodbye and split.


Takeaways

M.M actually works. Wow. maybe it is still relevant even in day game.I realize that I probably over "gamed" this encounter.I think this entire interaction lasted 35ish minutes. I probably could have streamlined this process. Shortly after leaving the cafe, i realized that I could have probably pulled her out of venue and bounced a few times. Maybe SDL? Think I'll have to be a bit more aggressive

Feel free to chime in. Open to suggestions. Hoping to improve in anyway possible. Did I miss anything in my take away?


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 26, 2016 9:20 am 
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I really gave it an effort to read it all but couldn't. If it works in terms of end results keep doing it. End results are the only way to judge.

There is a lot of technicality and analysis in ur post. That's fine if it works for you. Don't forget to bring heart to the table.

Me, I just rap with the girl, get her # and invite her to meet me.

Not knocking your effort or methods.


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