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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 1:41 pm 
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1. I never said anything about the majority of your posts, did I?

2. I was asking what people see in you. I wasn't asking you to come and aggressively qualify yourself.

3. Yes, a lot of the advice that I give could be stripped back to some kind of YouTube video from somewhere. Want to know why? Because that's where I learned from and it just happens to be what my experience has shown to be effective; books and videos along with the tiny amount of natural "skill" that I had. I teach maths to my little brother, and most of what I teach is from text books. He's still doing a lot better than he ever was before. To think that it shows a lack of experience just because I didn't invent all of it is, well, just wrong. Let's look at 2 guys from this forum; Dragula and RC. Both of them undeniably know what they're talking about, both give some brilliant advice... yet both admit that most of their material is from Models or 60YOC

4. You accuse me of playing the victim and basically indirectly attacking you or whatever... could I not quote you doing the exact same shit to me? But I don't take it personally. I don't even take it as a reflection of how you feel about me

5. The general message that you're communicating is "How dare you question the validity of my advice!" even though I didn't. I asked what people see in you. I didn't say you're usually wrong? To me your advice is generally just a better worded version of "just get your shit together and women will like you" which is undoubtedly right, but will make no sense to the majority of new guys because it's so vague... so knowing this, I questioned what people see in you. If you've got a problem with that then your ego is getting in your way.

6. Again, just to get the message across properly: I did not say that I disagree with most (if any) of your posts. I asked what people see in them, because I think they're vague and basically what everybody else is saying "Get your shit together, focus on you, don't have any kind of outcome in mind" but nothing about HOW to do this. I didn't realise there would be such a problem with me asking a simple question, or I'd never have asked it.

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1. I never said anything about the majority of your posts, did I?

2. I was asking what people see in you. I wasn't asking you to come and aggressively qualify yourself.

3. Yes, a lot of the advice that I give could be stripped back to some kind of YouTube video from somewhere. Want to know why? Because that's where I learned from and it just happens to be what my experience has shown to be effective; books and videos along with the tiny amount of natural "skill" that I had. I teach maths to my little brother, and most of what I teach is from text books. He's still doing a lot better than he ever was before. To think that it shows a lack of experience just because I didn't invent all of it is, well, just wrong. Let's look at 2 guys from this forum; Dragula and RC. Both of them undeniably know what they're talking about, both give some brilliant advice... yet both admit that most of their material is from Models or 60YOC

4. You accuse me of playing the victim and basically indirectly attacking you or whatever... could I not quote you doing the exact same shit to me? But I don't take it personally. I don't even take it as a reflection of how you feel about me

5. The general message that you're communicating is "How dare you question the validity of my advice!" even though I didn't. I asked what people see in you. I didn't say you're usually wrong? To me your advice is generally just a better worded version of "just get your shit together and women will like you" which is undoubtedly right, but will make no sense to the majority of new guys because it's so vague... so knowing this, I questioned what people see in you. If you've got a problem with that then your ego is getting in your way.

6. Again, just to get the message across properly: I did not say that I disagree with most (if any) of your posts. I asked what people see in them, because I think they're vague and basically what everybody else is saying "Get your shit together, focus on you, don't have any kind of outcome in mind" but nothing about HOW to do this. I didn't realise there would be such a problem with me asking a simple question, or I'd never have asked it.

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Again lol JD, come on. I feel like I’m talking to a woman. And that’s not a slight against your manhood, but how I genuinely feel because you won’t own your shit. You constantly make side comments when I post, and when I come at you directly on one, you act like it was a simple question.

3. Since you want to bring Dragula and RC, I will say this. If either of them can only give advice that was from some book, I’d say they were full of it to. If they give advice based solely on what they read or heard..its bad advice. Regurgitating advice you haven’t tried is just a bad practice for the community. Its how the same bs keeps getting recirculated. Currently, RC and Drag don’t post like that. You do. I’ve never praised my posts or called myself one of the great posters here. You have. And I still didnt come and question you because that would be disrespectful and negative.

4. I directly addressed you. Big difference. I don’t say something negative abt you in a smart way, and then when you disrespect me back, act like I wasn’t doing what I did and repeatedly do. I don’t go say “what do people see in Majick?” and when he calls me a pussy for my comment, act like my comment was just positive to him. And then say he’s qualifying himself when he shits on me back. I’ve seen posts where you yourself are grouping the great posters and you throw your name in there, I don’t come in there and say “I don’t get why JD thinks he’s great.” And if I did, I would be man enough to own that yeah, I’m talking shit about you in a bitchy way.

5. You know, when I first read your comment I was like…hmm…maybe I’m vague...good feedback. Then I thought about it….I write so much analogies, examples, go through logical roads with arguments, talking about thoughts running through a girl’s mind. In many threads I think I write TOO much to explain a point. You saying vagueness is your issue, is kinda weird, granted that there are many posters who you’d call great, who write much much more vaguely than I do.

6. For the record, I don’t think I’m some great poster. I write hella disjointed, bad English, miss a point in an argument. I don’t even know the pride in being a “great poster” on a PU forum.

Look, I’ll talk to you man to man. Own your shit. When you keep talking shit in this and other threads, just say hey I was talking shit I don’t like your posts. I don’t know if its “frame control” or just lack of manhood, but see how when I talked shit I say it to you and whatever you say in response is not going to be harsh because Ive already come back at you? As Ive told you before I don’t like this childish shit of I’ll disrespect you then act like it was a question. Your shots started when I called you sensitive in your post. And I watched you make side comments abt “neo” for a while and just laughed. Just keep it 100% and own what you say.

You flip flop on what your issue is like a child. First it's I neg and insult people. Then it's you agree with my shit, but I'm vague and give the typical advice. In another thread you stated, you always disagree with what I say. Which is it man?! Lol. What next....its my font that bothers you? When I say its like I'm talking to a chick, its because I'm not used to grown men changing what they say that much. So you flip flop, say smart comments and then pretend like "oh I was just asking a question." I don't know Corey wayne or these other guys, but are they not teaching you guys how to be men? Are they teaching be honest with women, but lie and be wishy washy everywhere else?

I'm not trying to neg you. Who the hell thinks of negs when someone tells them directly they think what you do is wrong? I'm directly telling you this so you can cut those childish tendencies. If you say something smart, not just once but multiple times and get called out for it, just own it. This is all related to the OP's topic, because PU isnt teaching many of you just how to be normal adults. Or even normal men. Its teaching you to bang chicks and be a boy still. I sincerely, no neg, no trying to play you or anything...I sincerly hope you take my words seriously and recognize those boyish tendencies you have. Dont flip flop. If you have an issue, say it directly and clearly, without contradicting yourself. When you talk shit, just own it.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 21, 2016 11:52 pm 
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I stopped reading when you twisted my words into "they ONLY give advice from books" lol. Whatever, man. You win.

Edit: Just read it all. A few points I'd like to make...

Can I see where I've compared myself to those people? I think you're twisting that, too. I could quote me saying "Nice to see my name on a list with such great posters, lol" or something, on a Redstar thread about how many girls people have slept with.

Another twisted point is where you make out that I've contradicted myself. I think you're talking about the point where I said "I usually disagree with Neo, but he's bang on with that" and you said something like "Get outta that womans house! Haha, sorry, you just reminded me of my friend who still hadn't moved out at 21 years old!" ...if that's not a neg, or a pussy comment, then I don't know what is. Ultimate cheap shot.. not very "man to man" on your part, was it? But I let it slide.

You clearly do pride yourself on being some top poster, because I asked what people see in you and you lost your shit? Compare me to a woman all you want, but the fact is that you're taking it way over the top.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:20 am 
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I stopped reading when you twisted my words into "they ONLY give advice from books" lol. Whatever, man. You win.
Lol again. Translation: You called out my lies and I cant respond.

But seriously man, stop flip flopping. I never "twisted" your words. I never said you said that. So stop lying.

Wait...I'm qualifying myself when I call out your lie abt twisting words. LIE ON.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 12:24 am 
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You say I can't answer... while ignoring what I said? Did you spend so long writing your response that you didn't know I'd edited mine? You get way too angry, way too easy. I 100% genuinely do not have a problem with you.

dtrak is absolutely undeniably a prick, Heart Charmer talks out of his ass and half of his stories are made up, but other than your sly comments and overreacting, I don't have a personal problem with you... call me a woman all you want, but it's true. I don't.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:17 am 
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I stopped reading when you twisted my words into "they ONLY give advice from books" lol. Whatever, man. You win.

Edit: Just read it all. A few points I'd like to make...

Can I see where I've compared myself to those people? I think you're twisting that, too. I could quote me saying "Nice to see my name on a list with such great posters, lol" or something, on a Redstar thread about how many girls people have slept with.

Another twisted point is where you make out that I've contradicted myself. I think you're talking about the point where I said "I usually disagree with Neo, but he's bang on with that" and you said something like "Get outta that womans house! Haha, sorry, you just reminded me of my friend who still hadn't moved out at 21 years old!" ...if that's not a neg, or a pussy comment, then I don't know what is. Ultimate cheap shot.. not very "man to man" on your part, was it? But I let it slide.

You clearly do pride yourself on being some top poster, because I asked what people see in you and you lost your shit? Compare me to a woman all you want, but the fact is that you're taking it way over the top.
No, I've seen you list posters and include yourself. It made me laugh at the audacity hence I remembered it.

As to this neg, I swear I DO think that when you post. Lol. It's funny as hell to me. You really do make me remember an old friend. I was just laughing the other night with someone about a 27 yr old guy living at home on this cooking show. That shit makes me laugh hysterically for some reason in general. I picture a guy meeting chicks and still having to go back to his mom's house. I don't dislike you for living at home, its just funny to me. If any other poster lived at home past a certain age and was dating, I'd laugh too.

That being said, when I wrote my "neg" to you, I was genuinely just writing my thoughts about what popped into my head. I even told you that repeatedly. I wasn't trying to take a shot at you, but I can see how my wording would make you take offence. I cant say that it wasnt offensive, and I cant act like you taking offence isn't my fault. See, its not hard to admit you said something in poor taste.

I have no idea where you are seeing anger here. Havent called you a name. Hvnt said any angry words. Hmmm.. Lost my shit? I addressed your comment in like 3-4 lines and wrote near a page to the OP on his post. Its like someone addressing you= something more than throwing your shot back. Where did I say I was a top poster lol. One guy said he enjoyed my posts and you came in with a sly comment. Its no big deal, but as I keep saying, stop acting like it was innocent. Then again, maybe you just dont get it. Maybe you just cant take a step back and say yeah that was a cheap shot and I keep throwing shots at him, either intentionally or not.

For the record, the one shot Ive ever taken at you was my first 3 lines here. The rest has just been trying to show you not to throw stones then hide your hands. But maybe you just dont have that maturity yet. Im beginning to understand there are just some things you may not get. Just like the mom's house thing, I can tell you to understand the importance of moving out, you wont get it till you do. You wont get standing behind what you say, until you learn it. And no, none of that was to insult you.

Da,

Yes back to topic. Its been civil. Its diverged from the topic, but still respectful.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 22, 2016 1:26 am 
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Lol. You're so patronising. You strike me as the kind of person to get a job and then think he's above everybody who doesn't have a job, even if his is minimum wage. Waste of time talking to you anymore.

Thread summary: OP, you're wrong.

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Jeez JD, I went out of my way to NOT belittle you. You not being there yet does not mean I am better than you or above you. Who talks like that man? I'm not better than you if you're immature. I'm not better than you if I bang 10 girls a day. I'm not better than you if I have a 20inch cock. Its not a competition. This entire exchange makes the OP's pt, that PU makes guys forget simple shit. All that should have been said, was yeah I took a shot at you neo, and heres a shot back. Thats all. See how I was able to say I could see how you would take offence to the mamas house thing and thats my fault. Thats because its not about winning or being prideful. I did something offensive to you, I owned up to it. Simple.

OP, you're right but help other guys if you can.


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OK, fellas here it is. Now I've officially 100% lost all my faith in this community, even that small amount I used to have.

I came here years ago, I entered the game full of aspirations, I learned, I studied, I read books, I watched seminars. Then I went out on the field and failed and failed and failed and failed. I learned on the "field". I learned that most of what I have learned is utter and complete bollocks. Neg theory? Bullshit. HB rating system? Useless. DHV? Bullcrap. All the shit RSD is teaching? Well, not only is it total nonsense, it was borderline sexual assault sometimes. NLP? A quick google search will reveal to you what came to me with experience and looking modern psychological theories up that it's pseudoscience. It just doesn't work, simple as that.

While I'd been doing this PUA shit I lost 2 wonderful girlfriends. Because I was a selfish prick. I never cared about them, eventhough I loved them very much, I just cared about myself. Because that's what they teach here. Be happy and then your gf will be happy as well, that's not how this shit works. I quit PUA 4 years ago, I just came here to share some stories, to read the very few topics that had some value. Shout out to neo in the relationship section and Patrick with his Centered Man Manifesto, you guys are great. You guys were the last bit of hope I had for this community. I am honestly in awe how you are able to not lose your patience here. Ever since I dropped this crap, my life turned out to be so much better. I've been with a great girl for over 3 happy years now. And let me tell you, there was 0 PUA involved. No bullshit tactics, no sneaky techniques. Not thinking about escalation ladder and closes and whatnot. Just normal human interactions, little bit of flirting and letting myself connect with someone on a deeper level. Looking at them as another person not as a "target" or a prey. Dropping my ego and stopping thinking I must talk to all women I find appealing and not going out of my way to do all kinds of weird and crazy shit, like stupid magic tricks and whatnot.

But the community doesn't listen. You want quick fixes, you overanalyse every smile, every word, every movement and keep complicating the most simple things ever. And the reason you are doing that is because you are insecure and because you were fed so much bullshit about this.

I'm done, and so should be you. Leave this pithole of neurotic morons and start working on your life and yourself as a person. That's the only way, trust me. I've tried the other way too, it's all shit. Get a hobby, do what you like, meet people. Nice people are everywhere. It's outright impossible that if you have a decent life with plans and aspirations, are a respectful, open minded and intelligent person, and pay attention to your health, your style and your personal hygiene that you won't eventually find someone with whom you connect. The only thing to do there is not fucking it up. And PUA is the most reliable way of fucking shit up, I can tell you that.

PS: What motivated this post was the news flash that Tyler with his little crew of rapists are now in Australia promoting LITERAL sexual assault as a way of getting laid. If that's not a red flag for someone then I don't know what is.

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This comes as a surprise to me because I remember you from way back when and you always seemed to be an authentic guy. Was there really ever a time when you believed in NLP? Routines? Negs? And most ridiculous of them all, RSD?

Seems to me like you haven't really visited the forum in a while, but every single one of us on this entire website that has any credibility whatsoever, promotes exactly this part you mention here:
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start working on your life and yourself as a person. That's the only way, trust me. I've tried the other way too, it's all shit. Get a hobby, do what you like, meet people. Nice people are everywhere. It's outright impossible that if you have a decent life with plans and aspirations, are a respectful, open minded and intelligent person, and pay attention to your health, your style and your personal hygiene that you won't eventually find someone with whom you connect. The only thing to do there is not fucking it up. And PUA is the most reliable way of fucking shit up, I can tell you that.
Obviously you still see people charging in here head on with idiotic advice, but these are just the newbies that finished watching Mystery's show or reading Strauss's book 5 minutes ago.

My point is, the community you lost faith in is not the community we are. The paragraph I quoted you on above is, or should be, the true core of PU and is what we promote on a daily basis.

This isn't what it used to be, In$tinct.

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Hey man,

Don't judge an entire community based on what a small company of weirdo cult followers does man. I agree with you, a lot of what they teach is just plow through social boundaries...which is fine if all you care about is your dick, but unfortunately (even semi) intelligent people understand that society has boundaries, and to go beyond them is pretty much socially retarded.

Become successful with women, life, your friends, family, and happiness. Not just "fuck bitches" (although that is part of it).


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Yes, most of what the community used to teach is utter bullshit. Its getting better though as guys are starting to see past all that and many legit dating coaches are now on the scene.

I'll repost something MajikalMethod said in one of his post:
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1. Learn to look as good as possible all the time.
2. Meet a lot of new women on a regular basis.
3. Learn to screen girls quickly. Only spend time on interested girls.
4. Focus on building sexual tension and stimulating her emotionally.
5. Always move things forward sexually as quickly as possible, without making her very uncomfortable.
6. Always have a plan for how you're going to get her somewhere where you can actually have sex.
7. Never over invest in a girl. If you like her more than she likes you, step back, if you don't walk away altogether.
Do all that and you will get laid unless you're a social retard in which case you should forget about PUA and just go learn to be normal.

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I agree with Melodical's post


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Yes, most of what the community used to teach is utter bullshit. Its getting better though as guys are starting to see past all that and many legit dating coaches are now on the scene.

I'll repost something MajikalMethod said in one of his post:
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1. Learn to look as good as possible all the time.
2. Meet a lot of new women on a regular basis.
3. Learn to screen girls quickly. Only spend time on interested girls.
4. Focus on building sexual tension and stimulating her emotionally.
5. Always move things forward sexually as quickly as possible, without making her very uncomfortable.
6. Always have a plan for how you're going to get her somewhere where you can actually have sex.
7. Never over invest in a girl. If you like her more than she likes you, step back, if you don't walk away altogether.
Do all that and you will get laid unless you're a social retard in which case you should forget about PUA and just go learn to be normal.
#3 is VERY important and something that's often overlooked.


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What's funny is the OP was done over a month ago, but he was logged in last week.

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There's the right side of PUA (or improving with women - whatever you want to call it) and the dark side. The light side is becoming a confident, interesting man who understands women. The dark side is made up of bad energy such as negging, going after taken women, treating women as a conquest/the enemy, etc.

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