Recently I met lots of woman. They are 100% autenthic and they are all the same. Strong women and most importantly independent woman.

It scares the shit out of me, when I talk to a woman(and I think im doing good), yet they are like "i don't care about the outcome, regardless with or without you". And I know that, even if I end up in a relationship with them, they will keep this frame(it's simply personality).

It forces my hand right away and I lose my mindset, trying to change her belief.

I dig these women, but in the same time, I can't play them. They are crushing me with thier autenthic personality.

What I also see is, that they don't like PuA(it kinda doesn't work). They don't like this, other than in the beginning when you escalate(when you have to stand out). They wan't the real stuff. The real man. And im not trained for this.

Any thoughts on this or general advice? What is your experience?

How you write this is telling of what your problem is. They can see through your bullshit. It is a result of them being authentic and not being the type for games is what allows them to not be played by you.

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Just curious, how old are you?

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