Well, after over a decade in the game I'm getting to the point where I'm wondering if I should just pick one of the top girls I've found and settle down.

I have a problem most guys out there would love to have - two girls who have both the looks and personality. Both were models in the past and are now in the medical field.

It's easy to find girls who have one or the other, but not both. Not to mention the "crazy level" is reasonable between both of them compared to many other women I've known as well.

Anyway, the main issue here is they both have kids. I'm not sure I want to walk into that sort of situation, but being realistic most girls have kids once they get to their mid to late 20s.

Don't really feel strongly one way or the other about wanting kids of my own.

Hopefully you guys can help me choose (or at least clarify) my options here. Basically I've got three: Girl number one, two, or just keep playing the field somewhere else and hope I come across a younger, kid free, total package girl in the future.

Here are the details:

Girl #1: Mixed Black-White

Age: Mid 20s
Est. years until she hits the wall: 5

Not that worried as I've seen her mother and she didn't hit the wall very hard.

Face: 7 or 8. A Rihanna look-alike.
Chest: D cup
Body: Hard 8. Fit and curvy in all the right places. Amazing ass. Average height.

Background: Daddy's girl. Parents divorced. Dates white guys. Raised on the West Coast and is basically a white girl with an edge.

Past Work: Model, dancer.
Work Now: Medical field. Working on getting into a specialized medial job.

Personality: Girl next door. Reformed bad girl.

Pros: Started off rocky, but has since broken herself of most of her bad habits. I'd like to think since I'm both a good guy and one who turns her on she worked on it for my benefit after not finding a guy that could give her both, but it's more likely she did it for her kid.

Cons: Does that annoying thing where she raises the inflection at the end of sentences making everything sound like a question. Sometimes overlooks faults beyond the point where it's reasonable. When people do her wrong she sometimes has the mentality that she has to get even.

Sex: Bi. Slept with one girl. Makes out with girls when drunk in the club/bar from time to time.

Drama/Exes: Gave a lot of Beta guys a chance in the past, but usually ended up disappointed in the end. Her baby daddy is the sort of guy I could see becoming buddy-buddy with just to get him out of your hair.

Kids: 1

Other: Kinkier. Light S&M (likes both dom and sub rolls). Open minded.

Girl #2: Puerto Rican

Age: Mid 20s
Est. years until she hits the wall: 7

Not that worried as I've seen her mother and she didn't hit the wall very hard.

Face: A 9 or 10. Flawless. In the face she's more attractive than Sports Illustrated Swimsuit model I went out with in Miami if that tells you anything.
Chest: Small & perky.
Body: 7 or 8. Slim. Sort of a Zoe Saldana build. Nine inches shorter than I am.

Background: Has issues with her father from time to time as he won't put up with her princess tantrums. Parents still together. Dates mostly white or Latino guys. Suspect she sees being with a white guy as a step up. Seems to look up to her friend who ended up with a white guy.

Came from PR when she was younger to the Pac Nw and lacks the over Americanized thing that so many Latinas have in NYC.

Past Work: Model, hair broker (buying & selling hair for extensions/weaves).
Work Now: Some sort of assistant at a hospital. Also is currently in school to become a nurse.

Personality: Girl next door. A bit shy and geeky.

Pros: More intelligent & educated. Geekier. Brings that Latin fire being sexy, passionate, and understated all at once.

Cons: From time to time has princess moments. Will test a fair amount.

Sex: Bi. Had an actual relationship with a girl verses just sleeping with one. Tends to be more relationship focused.

Drama/Exes: Had a baby daddy get physical with her and is in prison currently. Sounds like this could be an issue years down the line.

Kids: 2

Other: Really enjoys sex. Light S&M (enjoys the sub roll). Can cook. Looking for a more traditional household.

#3: Move to another city and go for someone a bit younger without kids.

My M.O. is to find someplace with a handful of 8+ girls to compete for, but also one full of cute 6s to keep me busy if/when I hit a slump.

Obviously the worry here is turning into the old guy at the club in the coming years and not being able to find younger (more baggage free) girls with both the personality and looks. Not to mention so many girls these days are addicted to their cell phones.

I figure with my looks and skills I've probably got between 7 and 10 years before the quality I can get starts to slip.

So what say you?

Beautiful face and good body or Great body and a pretty face? Or back to the drawing board?

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This is a bullshit question and more of a brag post. No one can make this decision for you. You're the only person that knows if you should settle down. You're the only one that knows if you can handle a woman that already has kids.

If this is in any way a serious question, you're not ready for settle down because a grown man can make this decision for himself.

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Well, no, I suppose I don’t expect anyone to specifically say to pick one over another, but more of an opinion on my options here.

Because I’m sure you and others have had a similar experience where you’ve been too close to a problem/situation to view it in the clearest light possible.

So let’s say it’s a question of whether or not there are any red flags jumping out at you.

As for the settling down part, do tell. Just about every guy I’ve known hasn’t been clear on this even when it has worked out.

Most of my friends never took the time to become skilled in dating so to try and discuss it with them would probably get a suggestion of doing what they did. Chiefly to just focus on career and get a former “hot girl” crush once their looks start to fade and they turn to stability over looks.

Of course there are a few of the lovable loser types in there too who either got burned by the hot girl and over compensated in the end with an ugly girl with a “good personality” or the guys who never learned to date and now are too quick to want to start a family scaring all the potentials away.

All of which seem less then stellar. Fine for someone else, but not myself.

Pick up is great in a lot of ways, but it doesn’t do a whole lot for you in the long-term relationship and settling down department.

And it can even be a hindrance because you know in the back of your mind that if this doesn’t work out you can easily find someone else.

Anyway, I figured there was an outside chance that a mod/forum member had been around long enough to know when something had a good chance of working out long term. Or maybe one of those guys who is good with relationships, but just got out of something long-term and was trying to get into pick up would chime in?

Then again it could be a question of wanting an option that isn’t there and deciding to, but not really wanting to go with the third option.

Because what I do know is age is a tricky thing. Once it’s gone, it’s gone.

Someone like my uncle who’s 60-ish can still pull hot women half his age, but it’s sort of an embarrassment to the family/others. There’s more to life then spending your every waking moment getting and chasing ass.

Now if you try to look at things from the quasi-scientific point you’ve got things like the optimal stopping point and the face verses body survey (body for short-term and face long-term), but I’m not completely sold on either.

For the optimal stopping point you’re looking at rough stopping point of 37%. However it requires you to know you’re overall number of women. Of course you can guesstimate taking all your previous partners and dividing it to get your per-year number. Then you’d pick your stopping point for your overall count using the average. But again that suggests that once you hit you’re number it assumes the “next best” woman will be easily identifiable (unlike say two “bests” to choose from). Anyway that’s enough of the nerdy math crap.

You know I wouldn’t say I’m all that different from any other guy who got into this stuff in the first place. Most are looking for a girlfriend, more options, and/or better quality. It’s doubtful many are looking at 10 or 15 years down the line trying to figure out an end game. I know back then I wasn’t.

But this stuff has been organized long enough now that there should be some sort of answer that’s better than the coin flip the statistics say your chances are in the US.

You never really hear about the guys who used to teach this stuff back in the day and whether or not it worked out for them.

The only concrete thing I’ve heard from other guys involved with pick up is to play the field until either your looks slip too far and you’re forced to go overseas to keep your quality high or to go overseas to find a quality woman and bring her back to some boring place in the states.

The first sounds incredibly empty to me, while the other is seemingly a non-issue (since theoretically I already have two good options).

In case you were wondering my tentative solution since I first posted was to ignore almost everything and see which girl got a hold of me first. Then place my focus there until it worked out or didn’t. What’s the old saying? One in the hand is worth two in the bush...

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Find a childless chick IMO
You could do without the dad being in your life

You should make this decision for yourself. Everybody has their own preferences and only you know what you want.

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After dating 3.5 women with kids over the last year (I've dated women without kids as well) I can only see myself taking care of my own child.

But as others have said, it's a decision you have to make, not anyone else.

What one was only 1/2 Choco? Bottom or top?

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The .5 was a ONS that became a couple of meetings, but "dating" would be a bit of a stretch since it was really only hooking up a couple times when I was in the area and she was arguing with her man.

You didn't type any words saying how either of them feel or think or act towards you

Other than that I personally would not have anything other than a casual relation with either of them mainly because of the children, but I'm 28 and there are surely other differences in our situations.