Hey guys, so recently, I have been trying to learn more about pick-up and the way females brain work.
I've heard from a friend that during your first approach, it would be nice to make your intent clear.
Although he isn't any advance/professional PUA, or PUA at all, I wouldn't take his word for word.

If he were to approach a random girl in the day, it would go something like this.

"Hello, I've seen you from other there and you look attractive, so i had to come over and say hi. My names Frankie, what's your name?"

Is that opener wayy to blunt and shallow? I've heard that name revealing should come later on, so maybe after a few minutes of conversing, you would say something like "Oh yea, my name is Frankie, what's your name?"

Wouldn't it be much better to approach a girl and open indirectly? This is how i define indirectly.
Do not tell her that you approached because she looks attractive.
Be relevant to the situation.

If so, how would you even intend on being relevant with a girl that you're going to approach during a lunch period? Wouldn't it be extremely weird to walk up to her and ask what she is eating or if she is busy?

Girls know straight away that you're hitting on them and if you go indirect with a very attractive girl then you're just the next unconfident afc chump for her to blow off.

Back in day when I was first learning game I used to use opinion openers but there was a dramatic fall off in success when the girl hit HB9+ level. They knew full well what I was up to.

Stick to direct. It gives you way more success with the attractive girls but can frighten off some of the less attractives but you shouldn't be interested in them anyway.

My favourite is : "I saw you and I had to meet you, what's your name?"

It demonstrates masculine confidence and that's a big attraction trigger to attractive women. Some PUA's don't advocate asking her name but I found that the question can attentuate any limbic based autopilot responses allowing you to barrel through till she has her thoughts together.

You really should stop speculating and try before making these threads.

Millions of infield footage on youtube, watch a couple of Simple Pick Up vids on youtube and you will get a slight idea. Please don't tell girls you want to make a baby appear in their belly though. Make sure you observe their vibe, outcome independency & confidence, find something that fits your vibe and emulate.

If you still can't do it, you can really approach girls with just introducing yourself. I know this because I have at least tried and haven't put barriers in front of myself,

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Some of the stuff that I have listed, came straight out of youtube videos. Although whenever I post stuff that i learned from the infield, people tend to disagree and reply with the exact opposite. I have been watching tons of infield footage and trying to get every little bit of information out of it. I haven't heard of Simple pick up before, Ill check it out right way!
Thanks for replying to most of my threads though!

Bullshit. I've cold approached, gotten attraction, and even gotten lays, but I've NEVER done a "direct" opener.

WHAT you say has very little effect on your success. What matters is HOW you say it.

If opinion openers failed then either they were not relevant or you did not deliver them properly. Nothing to do with direct/indirect.

I don't think there's necessarily a "better" or worse way to approach, but I much prefer the indirect and situational openers.

My suggestion for the lunch period is to ensure that you're in close proximity, then you'll easily pick up on something that's situational to open with.

You've NEVER done a direct opener? You're seriously handicapping yourself then. If your game is wired tight and your calibration is good then you will double or even triple your success rate.

Bold claim. No way to prove it though. It falls under the "if it didn't work, it's your fault" category.

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The whole direct/indirect debate is a load of bullshit.

The same thing with a lot of pick up talk, a lot of it is theory, none of it is actually based in real life.

For example "If your game is wired tight and your calibration is good then you will double or even triple your success rate" just by switching to a direct opener, is nothing but speculation.

Most guys who actually meet and get somewhere with girls will know that it really doesn't matter which opener you use and it doesn't really make much of a difference, what will get you laid is how attractive you are, how you communicate with girls and how well you can create a sexual vibe and convert that into the outcome you want.

I think with openers... it is all about calibration. For example, cold approaching a girl in a club for the first time you would be better off saying something that was direct and sets that frame. Whereas if you are meeting a girl in a work environment, you are better off discreetly flirting before you finally get to the point where she is attracted enough to set something up between the two of you. If you switched this around and took too long in a club, there's a good chance you'll loose the girl, whereas if you go full on direct in a work environment, you're likely to be blown off straight away.

The purpose of the opener is to start the interaction in the suitable way to continue and set the stage for the seduction, so use whatever suits your personality and fits the situation. I won't say that this will triple your lay rate, but it will definitely give you more natural progressive interactions with the girls you like. Personally I love to start my interactions with charm and undertones of sexual innuendo and build a decent feeling of rapport and attraction with girls. It really depends what is called for in the moment that I meet a girl I like though.

OP, you might find that some other type of opener works better for yourself, so experiment and find out what feels the best for you and you'll find certain things that will suit your personality well.

P.S, ChocolatePUA, I've read a lot of your posts, and most of your advice seems consistently to the point and spot on. Respect.

You do what you're comfortable with. Again, whether or not you go direct/indirect literally does not matter. I usually know within a few seconds of my approach whether or not a girl is/isn't into me, and I have a general idea as to how far I'm going to get with her without having to go direct.

I have no problem with direct openers whatsoever, just think that their effectiveness is overhyped by some.

If you prefer going direct by all means do so. However, I have had plenty of success with indirect approaches, have been told that I seem confident without having to go direct, and it works for me. I have little interest in going direct.

Thanks!
By "have been told that I seem confident", what do you mean exactly? How were you coming off as confident? Was it because of the way you talked, your hand movement, and eye contacts being strong?

*Blush*

I believe it was all of those. I never really asked to be honest. They'll usually make vague statements about how I "carry myself"

What you say does not matter.

Is the confidence you say it with that matters.

Let that sink in.

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