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PostPosted: Wed Dec 09, 2015 10:10 am 
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I was recently on a date where I might have fucked up some...

I had met the girl once before at a cafe, and got k-close. Ended the date with kissing a bit, and her asking about whether or not I was interested in meeting her again.
I often get those questions, because I set the frame right. They can't seem to really figure out whether or not I really wanna see them again, or if they "weren't good enough to net me"
So after the date I heard from her within an hour, on messenger. She said she had a great time and I responded in kind.

A few days went by and I contacted her to set up date 2. She agreed and we met for the second time - This is where the problem occured.
It was a very casual date, we ate some pizza and watched a movie. I escalated the way I always do, kino, kissing and so on.
I already felt some resistance when I kept on kissing her and making out, but I figured I'd not let it affect me. So I started kissing her neck and around her ears, also started to "bite" her ears only very lightly, using only my lips, and she started laughing and pushing me away, saying "I know where this leads, and I don't want that to happen tonight" I reacted the way I always do in similar situations, agreeing with her every word and trying to continue escalating, but she was pushing me away very hard, like seriously wanting me to stop, so of course I did. *It should be noted that I had only used kino on her lower legs, and then went in for make-out, and only really made out for like 2-4 mins before I moved on to her neck and ears* Some girls from previous interactions quickly become turned on by what I do, and I don't need much more than that before the make-out starts becoming very heavy, and I can escalate further, getting their clothes off etc.
Now the question - How do you react to this? I know not to get pissed at her of course, it's fine that she didn't want to have sex, gotta respect that. But how do you stay strong and set in your frame? Being non-reactive can quickly come off as kind of "fine, fuck you then bitch, I'm mad cause I can't get laid" which is obviously not something you want to display cause it's needy as hell. How do you stay really unaffected, without seeming pissed that you couldn't get her pants off?


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Were you at a sex location when you started to escalate ? You can escalate before the sex location, but only up to the kiss and not any further unless you can spike her BT enough and quickly pull her right after. Otherwise you will just get resistance or her BT will drop and you will just have validated her. I usually don't get verbal resistance when I escalate at the sex location, but if I do, I do a similar tactic where I will just agree to what she is saying and slow down with my escalation to continue to turn her on to the point where I'm fingering her and then I move her panties to the side and put on the condom and then there's no resistance and it's on. If she starts resisting physically, then I stop, and just build more comfort and then repeat the escalation process until the close.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 10, 2015 1:52 pm 
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We were at her house, in her couch when this happened.

I don't often run into LMR or rejections in general, but this one really caught me off guard.


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So what? maybe she had a yeast infection. Or missed a saloon appointment and was unshaven.

Non-reactive is exactly the way you should be. Try again next time, there can be plenty of different reasons why she didn't want to have sex at that specific moment.

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Being non-reactive is actually the way to go. Next time pay more attention to what her body language says rather than what she says verbally.

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I guess I am not properly expressing myself:

I know that I should be non-reactive, as if I genuinely don't mind/care at all.
My question is: How do you show that properly? Without seeming offended.


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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 8:02 am 
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Actually be non-reactive and don't care. I'm not entirely sure why you'd get offended in the first place.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 11, 2015 9:43 am 
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I'm affraid that by being non-reactive, I come off as seeming offended, like I am angry at her for not being DTF. :wink:

I can handle rejection, I'm just looking for pointers on how to make sure that she sees me being unaffected, without thinking "ohh, he must be pissed that I didn't wanna have sex"


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I'm affraid that by being non-reactive, I come off as seeming offended, like I am angry at her for not being DTF. :wink:

I can handle rejection, I'm just looking for pointers on how to make sure that she sees me being unaffected, without thinking "ohh, he must be pissed that I didn't wanna have sex"
The very definition of non-reactive is having no reaction. Getting offended is a reaction.

By being non-reactive, you do not react.

Does it now make sense to you as to how it's impossible to seem offended when you are quite literally not being phased in any general direction?

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Yeah it makes sense R.C.

I think the reason I ask this even though it seems a no-brainer, is because during my young years I would usually get offended (very unwise I learned later)
I got very focused on NOT being offended by this, and that is probably the reason I always think too much about it. Trying to make sure that the mistake doesn't repeat itself. But also, the way she resisted caught me very off-guard because it was so very clear that she did not want sex.
Usually if I get any resistance it's the token kind of resistance "We shouldn't do this" when she's already naked and horny as hell. This girl resisted very early, and very clearly. :wink:


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Yeah, and like I said, maybe she had a good reason to. Don't worry about it.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 11:18 am 
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New development in this case.

We've had very little contact since we last met, but this last friday she texted me with a boring "Hey :)" and so we chatted a bit back and forth, she asked about my plans for the weekend and I told her.
I asked about if she had anything exciting going on, to which she just replied "Got my kid :)"

and from there the conversation kinda died out.

I decided to text her monday, to tell her about my awesome weekend:
Me: Girls are gross...
Her: Seriously ?
Me: Story about how a girl I only know very little, started feeling me up covertly while together with some mutual friends, and how I didn't wanna make a scene and trying to escape from this creepy girl.
Her: Uhhm okay, so that's why you tell me on monday, about something that happened saturday..?

After that reply from her I didn't text anything back, and haven't heard from her since. I can't really figure this girl out. First date was very good, she seemed very hooked. Second date as this post was originally about was less succesful, but still nothing that couldn't be salvaged, and now I don't know. I have other girls, so I'm not depending on this one. I just want to learn from my mistakes and get better, as I am not really sure what I did wrong here..
I have told other girls about that night, and they all responded well, asking me about further details and such, and wondering why a guy would not want a girl to put her hands on him. I told them I didn't feel any attraction to this girl, hence why I didn't like her making advances. If I had been attracted to her, it would obviously have been a different story.


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New development in this case.

We've had very little contact since we last met, but this last friday she texted me with a boring "Hey :)" and so we chatted a bit back and forth, she asked about my plans for the weekend and I told her.
I asked about if she had anything exciting going on, to which she just replied "Got my kid :)"

and from there the conversation kinda died out.

I decided to text her monday, to tell her about my awesome weekend:
Me: Girls are gross...
Her: Seriously ?
Me: Story about how a girl I only know very little, started feeling me up covertly while together with some mutual friends, and how I didn't wanna make a scene and trying to escape from this creepy girl.
Her: Uhhm okay, so that's why you tell me on monday, about something that happened saturday..?

After that reply from her I didn't text anything back, and haven't heard from her since. I can't really figure this girl out. First date was very good, she seemed very hooked. Second date as this post was originally about was less succesful, but still nothing that couldn't be salvaged, and now I don't know. I have other girls, so I'm not depending on this one. I just want to learn from my mistakes and get better, as I am not really sure what I did wrong here..
I have told other girls about that night, and they all responded well, asking me about further details and such, and wondering why a guy would not want a girl to put her hands on him. I told them I didn't feel any attraction to this girl, hence why I didn't like her making advances. If I had been attracted to her, it would obviously have been a different story.
1. This girl is obviously into you. I wouldn't worry about her LMR in the previous instance - as said it could have been for a NUMBER of different reasons, but I doubt lack of interest is one of them.

2. You didn't contact her for a couple days and then you engaged in what is to her as an obvious "jealousy baiting" opener. If a chick didn't contact me for a few days and then decided to contact me opening with some moves some guy was trying to make on her, I might be a bit annoyed too.

Ignore, fluff A BIT, and arrange another meetup.


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I'm not sure what the point of that story was. What did you think it would accomplish?

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Thanks RC and Chocolate, for the replies.

The point was just to keep her "warm" let her know that I have other options etc.
Also, would have tried planning a third meeting, if she hadn't reacted the way she did.


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