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PostPosted: Mon Mar 03, 2008 11:44 pm 
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So for those of you who've been following my ups and downs with this girl Lioness, it all came together tonight.

It was weird, her friend started talking to me on MSN about something completely unrelated - clothes I believe it was. Anyway, Lioness comes online, and I wait for her to talk to me...nothing. I then talk to her, still nothing. Her friend is talking to her, but nothing's coming back to me.

This, combined with the fact that I know she spent the weekend in Leeds with some dude, all made me, to be honest, very paranoid and feeling very low.

So, against my better judgement, I rang her. No answer. Rang again, no answer again, left a voicemail, something along the lines of "Hey, it's me. I dunno what's wrong but I wanna talk."

I then sat thinking about that and felt it could have been the wrong thing to do, so I rang again, hoping to leave another voicemail explaining things from my p.o.v. as I knew I wouldn't get any sleep if I didn't get it off my chest.

However, she answered. And she wasn't pissed.

So I told her everything, I explained that I was aware I'd been clammy and coming across as needy and that it's very uncharacteristic for me to be like that. That I felt like a fool for putting her up on some pedestal and "idolising her", that honestly, i'm not usually like this with people and I can only assume it's her that's done it to me. She tells me i've done nothing wrong and she feels bad for "playing me to an extent", for not putting in as much effort as me, and for sending out mixed messages.

She explained, that as a student (2 years my junior, i'm 19), a lot of the time she goes out, makes out with people or whatever, and it's fun. She doesn't think anything of it, it's just a good night out. And usually it never seems to pan out into anything more serious than that. She said she usually gets with someone, sees them again, then gets weirded out as they want to see her again and again and then it fizzles out.

I told her that I didn't want to weird her out, I didn't want to pressurise her, but if she didn't see this going anywhere, then to tell me because I didn't want to waste my time pursuing something that is never going to happen. She said okay, but didn't tell me that it wasn't going anywhere.

She also said she wants to see me again soon, like this week. I told her that I hate the internet because it's so impersonal and that I have grown some hella big balls to call her and say all this on the phone but i'm glad I did, and she tells me she's glad I got it all off my chest.

I told her that I understand her situation as a student that she just doesn't have money, and that if we go out and I spend some money in order for that to happen, then that's fine. It's not because i'm trying to woo her with my money, but it's because I want to see her.

Similarly, I realise it's not fair for me to keep asking her to come to my neck of the woods or to meet me in central London as it's always her making the effort that way, and that I don't mind driving down to her neck of the woods if she wants me to.

I asked if we can put all this weirdness behind us now we know where we're at, and she said she wants to and she doesn't want me to apologise for anything.

So my questions are thus, guys:

What do I need to do now to ensure the smooth-running of the future? I'm obviously looking at turning this into a relationship, but i'm aware i'm probably going to have to take it slow. I'm hoping she'll make more of an effort now and it will be easier to talk more openly about things, but what do I need to do? How often to make contact, what to talk about, and how often to see her?

I'm really intrigued, as I feel this is the dawning of a new era.

Wilde x


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:46 am 
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So for those of you who've been following my ups and downs with this girl Lioness, it all came together tonight.

It was weird, her friend started talking to me on MSN about something completely unrelated - clothes I believe it was. Anyway, Lioness comes online, and I wait for her to talk to me...nothing. I then talk to her, still nothing. Her friend is talking to her, but nothing's coming back to me.

This, combined with the fact that I know she spent the weekend in Leeds with some dude, all made me, to be honest, very paranoid and feeling very low.

So, against my better judgement, I rang her. No answer. Rang again, no answer again, left a voicemail, something along the lines of "Hey, it's me. I dunno what's wrong but I wanna talk."

I then sat thinking about that and felt it could have been the wrong thing to do, so I rang again, hoping to leave another voicemail explaining things from my p.o.v. as I knew I wouldn't get any sleep if I didn't get it off my chest.

However, she answered. And she wasn't pissed.

So I told her everything, I explained that I was aware I'd been clammy and coming across as needy and that it's very uncharacteristic for me to be like that. That I felt like a fool for putting her up on some pedestal and "idolising her", that honestly, i'm not usually like this with people and I can only assume it's her that's done it to me. She tells me i've done nothing wrong and she feels bad for "playing me to an extent", for not putting in as much effort as me, and for sending out mixed messages.

She explained, that as a student (2 years my junior, i'm 19), a lot of the time she goes out, makes out with people or whatever, and it's fun. She doesn't think anything of it, it's just a good night out. And usually it never seems to pan out into anything more serious than that. She said she usually gets with someone, sees them again, then gets weirded out as they want to see her again and again and then it fizzles out.

I told her that I didn't want to weird her out, I didn't want to pressurise her, but if she didn't see this going anywhere, then to tell me because I didn't want to waste my time pursuing something that is never going to happen. She said okay, but didn't tell me that it wasn't going anywhere.

She also said she wants to see me again soon, like this week. I told her that I hate the internet because it's so impersonal and that I have grown some hella big balls to call her and say all this on the phone but i'm glad I did, and she tells me she's glad I got it all off my chest.

I told her that I understand her situation as a student that she just doesn't have money, and that if we go out and I spend some money in order for that to happen, then that's fine. It's not because i'm trying to woo her with my money, but it's because I want to see her.

Similarly, I realise it's not fair for me to keep asking her to come to my neck of the woods or to meet me in central London as it's always her making the effort that way, and that I don't mind driving down to her neck of the woods if she wants me to.

I asked if we can put all this weirdness behind us now we know where we're at, and she said she wants to and she doesn't want me to apologise for anything.

So my questions are thus, guys:

What do I need to do now to ensure the smooth-running of the future? I'm obviously looking at turning this into a relationship, but i'm aware i'm probably going to have to take it slow. I'm hoping she'll make more of an effort now and it will be easier to talk more openly about things, but what do I need to do? How often to make contact, what to talk about, and how often to see her?

I'm really intrigued, as I feel this is the dawning of a new era.

Wilde x
Wow...I'm sorry but in my opinion, you have failed.
No offense of course

But you just said it yourself, you've done everything an AFC would do.
Again please don't get mad.

-You called her more then once in the same day.

-You said you would be willing to pay for dinner if you saw each other

-You apologized

I don't know. Maybe it's a special situation, but i do not think that she sees you has a possible dating mate anymore, just has a good friend.

Your going to have to pull some major game for her to start chasing you again.

Again, no offense.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:58 am 
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To me it sounds as if it would be a bad idea to expect too much from her. I hope you didnt get LJBF 'd. I havent been following your posts on "Lioness", but it just seems that you might want to run more attraction on her despite your uh, emotional release. I too have wanted to spill myself (a page and a half of fellings) to a girl and due to certain circumstances, I couldnt. In the end I was actually glad I didnt. I think it may have preserved my social value. As for you, you may need to get her interested again. Thats my unprofessional opinion.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 5:18 am 
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What is with all this one-itis on the forum nowadays?
How often do you sarge, wilde? This girl has you on a leash, plus she doesn't sound serious. Free yourself and find another one. What do you have to lose?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 10:37 am 
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No, didn't get LJBF'ed.

I'm thinking she's relatively emotionally undeveloped and I need to yeah, just run a load of attraction and comfort on her again.

She's still admitting she likes me...


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:03 pm 
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How do you know she's fallen for you?

And if she doesn't put in any/much more effort, then what?

So you're saying, play it cool, see her when I can/can "be bothered" and just run a load of attraction or comfort would you suggest?

Wilde


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 6:38 pm 
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Sorry Hobbit, i'm still kind of lost :s, i'm a little slow today haha.

Can you explain what you mean by working on something with her and calibrating please?

Cheers x


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I really think this girl is what you could call a party girl.And going by your story you came across as v.needy even if you were honest with her(sorry if Im coming across as an a.hole).Women cant be reasoned with like men, they want an alpha-male to order them around.Women like jerks, and your being a nice guy!Be bad, be evil...

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:40 pm 
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Man she checkmated you. She got you to basically commit to not doing the things that let you play from a position of strength just so that you could get a little bit of her attention. Read your post again and tell me you didn't just get gamed HARD.

I'm gonna be hard on you because you need to hear this. GO FUCK TEN OTHER WOMEN. Go sarging. This girl is not going to commit to you because of what you demonstrated to her after she froze you out:

You are not a high value male.
Your time is not worth anything.
She's the best thing you've got going.
You gave her the validation that she wanted after she treated you like shit.
SHE FROZE YOU OUT AND YOU FAILED THE SHIT TEST.
You rewarded bad behavior.

She's wrong about you and I want you to know it. You're 19 years old man, you can meet hundreds more quality women over the next few years of your life. Get started, she'll like you more for it, and you will too.

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