There's numerous different places that I meet them. Tinder, bars, clubs etc. as a case study met this chick via a friends friend and went out as a group. Was messaging for about a week or so and she was always busy. I found an opening and went for a casual day meal date. Ended up spending the whole day and evening together drunk.

Based on what she said, she didn't expect us to get on let alone get off with each other. I told her I knew this would occur from day one. Thought I'd fuel her nonsense with a bit of cockiness haha

I'm going to advise you in a way of saying that I'm going to trust that your problem is giving women too much value. Start making yourself unobtainable after you make them like you so that they start working to get you instead of you driving them away. Basically, pull them towards you as you back away. Once they start making the investment they will not want you to get away.

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Thanks again. Unobtainable in what respect. Responding late? Ignoring? Blunt with responses? Cancelling on dates last minute?

Unobtainable. As in she knows that you are attracted to her but you will not drop anything for her (which is should be anyway). The best way to do that is stay busy. Always have plans or doing something to better your life. That way women will start seeing that your time is valuable and will work to get that time as long as you keep the carrot dangling in front of them.

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thanks. Let's try this out and see how it goes. So, didn't communicate with her at all today and she ended up calling me in the early evening. This led onto a 40 or so minute phonecall discussion about generic funny chat nonsense. One thing she did mention was, was that she's been single for 4 months and doesn't want to put herself in a vulnerable state by falling for a man etc. I'm assuming this explains her backing off but not totally backing off.

Apart from staying unobtainable would you say now is also the time to casually message on the odd occasion or back off completely and see if she follows suite?

If you're going to message her, have a purpose for doing so. She contacted you today...she's pursuing. Let her continue. Suggest meeting up after she's called you a couple more times or she expresses that she'd like to do so.

BTW...just about every guy has experienced the girl who doesn't want a relationship because she just got out of one and then a few weeks later they are in a new relationship. Don't worry about analyzing what they say they want because they will submit to you if they are attracted to you.

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You see, that's something else that I do that's part of my game. I exchange quite a few messages on a day to day basis. I drop a few negs in there too. My general conversing skills are quite good but based on what I've read on this forum, text message exchanges if too much is a bad thing... I also suggested meeting up at some point next week in the conversation but that was blown out when she said she was busy over the next couple of weeks. I did style out my response and said no worries I'll be busy too so it's best we leave it for another date. And you mentioned above have a purpose? Apart from setting up a date what other purposes would you say are acceptable?

It's true what you said. Women don't know what they want at any given time. They're general hormonal and confused individuals.