Hey PUA,
What do you do when you neg the girl or challenge her and she challenges you back or you see that she's unafected by the neg (or challenge)?

You tried to be clever and she was clever back, nothing wrong there, recover by asking her something that would challenge her intellect. Find a line of conversation that gets her sharing if you can. Maybe you can match wits and be building some intimacy, that allows her to display some of her preferences you can remember for future interactions.

I don't neg, for one.

Also, it's called being playful. If she stabs back, it's all the more fun.

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Negging is for betas. Teasing is a completely different thing. Teasing isn't an attempt to make her feel bad about herself. And if she has banter game and you do and it's on you're both going to feel the tug and pull of attraction.

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A challenge or a neg, it's all the same it's an iod.

If you challenge her, giving her and iod and she gives you an iod, you respond with an ioi. If calibrated correctly she will ioi. Examples:

PUA: We would never get along... [IOD]
Her: You're right I'm not your type [IOD]
PUA: I love you *gives hug* [IOI]
*She hugs back* [IOI]

You are going to play a girl at pool:
PUA: You are going down. [IOD]
Her: Yeah right I'm going to kick your ass [IOD]
PUA: Damn you're cute [IOI]
*She smiles accepting the compliment* [IOI]

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No. A neg is a way to bring a girl down a notch, while at the same time attempting to be superior/cocky/flirtatious. If you do it and show disinterest at the same time, it serves no purpose because it is now an insult.

A challenge is giving the girl a chance to live up to something in order to allow her to appear in higher status in the man's eyes and a call for her to be compliant. Again, if you use it while expressing disinterest, it will come off more as an insult.

Negs and challenges should be avoided. Most guys should avoid them just because they don't do them correctly (especially negs).

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I think exactly as R.C.
At the end of the day is just being playful, but if you can't be playful and do it as a "technique" your problem isn't knowing what to do next but getting in the right mindset, I just did a post in this forum where I talk also about it, it's "how to kiss a girl that you just met" but if you want to read something more detailed read this http://www.theitalianseducer.com/why-wo ... shes-last/
anyway, congratulations for taking actions!!!

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Again this is the same thing as a neg. Either way you look at it, it's an iod.

PUA: We wouldn't get along
is an obvious neg, it is "a challenge giving the girl a chance to live up to something in order to allow her to appear higher status in the man's eyes."

PUA: I am going to beat you at pool.
An obvious challenge. Again a neg, in "a challenge giving the girl a chance to live up to something in order to allow her to appear higher status in the man's eyes."

It's cool if no one knows the form of game, but these are what the founders started with. Regardless how anyone thinks about it, it's how the game works.

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A neg is an insult. It's what beta guys do. It's meant to lower a woman's self-esteem and is mean-spirited.

Banter is meant to be fun. It's flirting. It's not meant to be mean-spirited.

They don't produce the same result and me, personally - I go after alpha females (who tend to love good banter as they're typically sharp).

The last thing they'll accept is a beta guy trying to walk all over them or put them down. Try negging an alpha female and see what happens.

Another poster mentioned challenging. It depends how it's done. I enjoy challenging women but I do it in a fun, attractive way. Alpha women like a challenge. If I were to challenge a beta woman she would typically shut down.

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If those are negs, they are terrible examples. This is the reason most guys shouldn't neg. Most are crap at it.

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Lol it's interesting how people can doubt ideas and information just because they don't understand it or it doesn't work for them. I agree in that for most guys they don't understand how to use negs and thus to get results they would be better off not using them.

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I wrote a post a while ago to a guy with a similar question.

You can see the entire post here: post913671.html#p913671

Challenging reminds me of a scene I've seen in the Bill Cosby show years back, when they were tap dancing, and the
guy said, "CHALENGEEE"

Like this

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CDLKpd4aUH8[/youtube]

Anyhow, when you start dancing and the girl responds, she basically said CHALLENGEEE to you.

When it comes to dancing, it's not so much what you say but HOW you say it.

When you say it, you also aren't too eager to hear a response. You are always kind of leaning away, almost getting
ready to leave. Not waiting there and dancing. Aloofness is always a part of the equation when dancing.

So dance with women. Engage in this kind of communication often, and don't be in a hurry to get her number
or "close" the deal. PLAY with them. Have fun with it. You'll get where you want automatically.

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