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This is my first post in a while, my game has been on a steady decline recently, so I decided to get back on here to get back to my former level, and even surpass it.

Anyway, I've been reading some of the field reports and other posts on here and it's occurred to me that quite a lot of the guys seem to be abstaining from masturbation in order to improve their game, and seem to think it makes a difference too.

Now, what's interesting to me is a lot of the talk I've read regarding it here seems to suggesting this is because by leaving yourself alone you allow more testosterone in the system, effectively giving you a physical advantage when trying to condition your behaviour towards women. My main source of exercise is boxing, and there have been similar ideas for decades, that avoiding ejaculation will some how retain more testosterone and make you more effective physically in the ring.

Here's the thing though, it's an old wives tale. Ejaculation has minimal effect on physical performance; sports scientists have found zero evidence to suggest that abstinence makes for a better boxer (hell, I can think of a lot of great champions that were complete womanisers).

What I'd like to hear from you guys then is a little bit about your experiences with the whole no self service thing. Do you think it makes a difference to your game? If so do you disagree with me on the physical benefits from it? Or do you think maybe it has sort of a placebo effect, giving guys the belief that their game will improve by leaving themselves alone?

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Scientific researchers can't be wrong that no fap has ZERO impact on your testosterone as a man. However, endurance training can lower your testosterone.

No fap though has obvious benefits. It's like a dam trying to contain water to generate electricity. But whether you fap or not, nature will still find ways to ejaculate your excess semen either through wet dreams or cumming too fast just from seeing a woman's private parts.

To improve your game, fap with purpose.

I found it very effective to fap an hour or two before I hangout with girls. I have longer staying power in bed this way and don't come across as too needy before the isolation.

I also used to fap to desensitize my cock so I have longer staying power in bed. Of course, most guys on here will advise no fapping.

That's just a matter of preference though on which advice to follow. It's just that I prefer methodical and scientific ways of doing things.

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Yeah, that's an important point I forgot to mention, I last much, much longer in bed if I've been at it in the days before. The difference is quite dramatic for me, like 3 mins tops if I haven't compared to 20 mins minimum if I have.

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The point of no fap is not necessarily physical, but mental.

Think of it like this. If you don't eat for 20 hours, you'll feel intense hunger.
If you don't fap for extended amounts of time, you'll feel intense desire. And what do women love most? Exactly, to feel desired.

Back to the hunger analogy, after those 20 hours of not eating you'll be dedicating yourself to your well earned meal like it's the best thing you ever ate. Same goes with the sex. You'll be focused, present in the moment. That raw desire you've built up will not only stimulate her physically, but psychically as well. That's usually when the "this was the best sex of my life" compliments start rolling your way and it's not something many men are capable of doing.

Personally I've been doing the whole no fap thing for quite a while now. And overtime I realized that masturbation isn't the flagship problem. Porn is.
Giving up the 2 is one of the best decisions I ever made.

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Shall I give this no fap stuff a go?

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I'm Quite focused at the gym recently and I have this urge to fap after a workout. Testosterone party

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Lol. There's nature at work fer yah.

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I was under the impression that the no fap rule was intended as a transference of emotions type of deal.. Like you're happy, others around you are happy, you are sad.. so are the people around you. So if you are super horny then as girls are much more empathetic than men and they pick up on moods much easier they also get horny. Now I doubt that I explained that as well as I could have and obviously there is much more to it that just that ie building good rapport with said woman first.

Got to say though no fap and no sex is a ball ache. I'd want to see some serious results for it to be taken seriously.

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If your testosterone is high, you get super horny. Fapping does not diminish your testosterone levels as several doctors and research scientists have already found out.

If you want to get super horny, workout, eat right and get enough sleep. Those who fap all night and day to porn and while doing so knockout a sack of french fries and KFCs are most likely the typical dudes who get some benefits from the No Fap Rule.

You see, if those guys followed the no fap rule, they are likely to divert their attention to something else other than porn, fapping and gorging on kilogram after kilogram of food.

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LOL argue with it all you want... but guess what? It doesn't cost you anything to do aside from having some self discipline to not play with yourself. So why are so many people testifying that it works? Does everyone have an affiliate account set up with Fappy-The Anti Masturbation Dolphin?

Masturbating takes your mind off pussy and hard work and focuses on the couch and TV. You can't deny that. If you stop, you're going to be much more aggressive towards life... also have a lot more time and less lube on your hands.

You can bash it all you want and poke holes in it... placebo or not, it fucking works.

Well, the point of a placebo is that doesn't work, so I have to disagree with your last line there. And an important point about people testifying about it is to remember that (theoretically at least) all the guys on here are trying to use PUA techniques, so it's hard to say that results people are getting has anything to do with leaving out the self service. It's like saying you're only going to pass your test in school if you sit in your favourite seat.

On the other hand I do agree with you to an extent about it taking your mind off pussy. I think the idea ColaGuy put forward about projection of emotion is an interesting one also.

I've been thinking about this more the last couple of days, and it occurred to me that I wouldn't whack off 10 mins before I was going on a night out, essentially so I can be more motivated when I go out. So by extension I can understand why some people who desire to be 24/7 players would extend that principle.

Still though I think there has to be a limit, and I think the effect no fap has on your sexual performance is under played massively by a lot of people.

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LOL see.. you're demonstrating more that you have weak will power.

I haven't jerked off in almost 3 years now. It's been life changing for me.

It's free man. It doesn't cost you anything to do. So you're just making excuses as to why you can't...

This isn't something you have to START doing... it's something you need to STOP doing... It's not a "Poo-ah technique."

And as someone who charges money for coaching, it's probably one of the most effective pieces of advice I've got.

Whether or not you've got the will power to keep your hand off your dick... I don't know. That's up to you.

My experience with no fap:

Fapping alot lowers you're sex drive obviously.

If you're approaching girls consistantly and you got good sexual tension and sex drive and can flirt well then fap all you want, you'll probably be fucking anyway and won't have time to fap.

If you're approaching girls consistantly and can't even get turned on by the girls your approaching, fap less or quit fapping for a while until you find balance.

Thats all it is, balance.

use it wisely.


Fuck that whole no fap hippy shit, thats stupid.

I use to pull girls home, fuck, wake up in the morning, fuck again, kick them out, and fap again in the afternoon when i woke up.

Why? cus i had high enough sex drive and didnt give a fuck, i was a dog.

The problem happened when i was fucking a girl one time behind a guardhouse at the beach and i had fapped like twice that day and i couldn't bust a nut, took me like 20 min , i think she fell asleep.

After that day i stopped fapping so much, the embarressment.... hahahahaha and she was fucking hot -.-

moral of the story : Dont fap so much that you kill your ability to orgasm with a real girl.

And your gold.

The rest is hippy shit

"oh i'm more centered, oh i'm grounded, oh i'm less anxious when i dont fap"

I dont give a fuck how you feel, are you pulling? :p

fukouta here :p okay i kno i'm hating on the nofappers out there and im joking

I think "Nofap" is very good for the porn addicts of masterbation orgasm addicts... or anyone with erectile disfunction and problems like that

But if you're normal and healthy, do whatever the fuck you want. lol.

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Mate, with respect you've never met me, so whether you charge money for snake oil or not, you're not even nearly qualified to cast judgement on my 'will power'. Trust me man, I'm in the military, I've gone months without it , a prime example being that in training you spend any spare time you have catching up on the hours of sleep you've been deprived of. I'm guessing once you get passed 3 months the years roll into days.
I'm thinking that you're right. Thinking back, I can genuinely remember times no fap negatively affected me with women; short version being I was scoring but not impressing in the sack. It might sound silly but my next relationships with women were much better, and I think preparing myself to preform to a standard that would wow a woman has a lot to do with that.

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