Hey t!

I'm a 25 year old male and for many years I've been very into seduction, I read a ton of books and practiced where I could but I also like the comfort of a steady relationship and due to having some natural ability to talk to women I've found high value partners fairly easily so far in my life. I've however only slept with 3 girls so far and had 2 serious relationships (one lasting 3 years, and one lasting 4 and still going right now).

My relationship is pretty solid, I always spend my time trying to turn my girls into absolute freaks, and I have been doing that with my current gf ofc. Everything is fine, and I'm pretty pleased.

To illustrate the state of my relationship ill say this: 4 years in, I get multiple blowjobs/week without having to ask for it, and we have sex about 3 times/week.

One of my biggest desires lately is to sleep with more girls, 3 isn't a number I am proud off and I do feel like if I wasn't in monogamous relationships all the time I could do significantly better, on the other hand the girl I am with right now embodies everything I am looking for in a woman so the idea of me cheating is a big no for me.

I don't have my eye on anyone in particular I'd like to sleep with to be honest, anyone attractive will do.

A few weeks ago trying to get my girlfriend to be more in touch with her inner freak I suggested we play "Fantasy Jackpot" (basically you each write down 3 fantasies put them in a jar, take turns picking one out of the jar and talking about it)

Long story short her number 1 fantasy is a FFM threesome with a friend of hers she occasionally makes out with (at parties/with my permission but not encouragement), I've talked about it more and she seems adamant in the particular friend she has in mind. We will call her "Lisa".

Now Lisa is a bit of an air head to be honest who I'm not very interested in romantically (we are far apart intellectually) but due to her superficial interests and habits she is very well groomed, fashionable, and naturally good looking. She practically lives aspiring to be the perfect 10. And she's a genuinely nice person. Ofcourse I am attracted to her as is my gf.

So I'm totally down with this threesome, as is my girlfriend (it's her number 1 fantasy in the world) and as far as I'm concerned, it's perfect because it's a person I am attracted to sexually in a primal way but not intellectually in a "I want you to be my partner"-kind of way which is great because knowing myself, no matter what happens during the 3some, or how insane sex moves Lisa pulls I won't get feelings for her. (Im a very rational dude).

So this all sounds great right, however there is one problem and that is lisa itself...

About a week ago it was Lisa her birthday and this was the very first time I actually got to spend a significant amount of time with her. She's a relatively new friend of my gf (1-2 years) and the only other time I saw her so far was at a party my gf hosted a year ago where I had to cater to a bunch of people and work the room the entire night so didn't get to talk to her much.

As soon as I arrived at the birthday party I started running game on everyone there, introduced and chatted to all the guys I didn't know first, worked the room, and pretty quickly I end up sitting in a couch with Lisa on one side and my gf on the other.

Lisa leans in and tells me I smell absolutely great, I tell her thanks, do a little routine I have about how I once dated a girl that was really fashionable and high value (DHV) and how she worked her ass off to find me the perfect parfume to go with my default odor (it's a good bit longer and I do many variations of it but since it's based in truth and shows that I get high value girls + they work to please me I love telling it)

//End preparty

We go to a club a 5 min walk further my gf & Lisa & some other girls go to a quick bathroom break before leaving and my gf tells me after coming out of the bathroom that Lisa has flashed her boobs & pussy to my gf & told her that she is feeling horny and wants to make out with alot of people for her bday.

//enter club.

I go hard as I can on the dancefloor, whenever I'm with girls I'm no shame mode and just try to bring the party alive and vibrant by making big gestures & being high energy, it works brilliantly all the guys are leaning against the wall with a beer in their hand looking very weak while I'm dancing with all the girls and my gf is basically dripping wet at this point. Lisa yells I want to make out with people it's my birthday and goes around and starts making out with some pretty no-game guys and girls eventually ending up at my girlfriend and ofcourse they make out a bit too with my permission (at this point one guy even comes and tells me I'm a lucky bastard and a 3some is probably in the cards for me lol), after a bit my girlfriend comes and tells me I can make out with Lisa too if I want, she thinks it's hot and doesn't mind. And at this point I mess up, I shouldve just stepped up and grabbed her and started making out which is what I would normally do if I wanted to make out with someone (I'm a bit dominant and passionate) but I wasn't sure on how my girlfriend would perceive this, what if I was too passionate? so I hesitated and a few mins later my gf tells Lisa she should make out with me as well for her birthday.

And at that point everything turns sour; Lisa says to my girlfriend "oh no I can't do that to you, I would feel to bad for you about it"

and a few minutes later my girlfriend tells me wow I kind of appreciate it of Lisa maybe she has exceptionally high EQ and realises something more that we don't.

And I am just absolutely gutted. Eitherway my gf gets pretty hot and really wants to go have sex now so since it's around 2AM we bounce, I end up quickly grabbing Lisa for a goodbye chat tho and isolating her a bit and I talk to her for a bit apparently my gf didn't tell her about her fantasy yet but she did tell her already that she had a dream of having a 3some with me and her, Lisa tells me she really enjoyed spending time with me and that we should hang out more, I tell her I would love that but I'm not too eager to because it's too much pressure having to try and lure her back to our bed on a consistent basis (or something jokingly drunk along those lines), she pats me on the arm smiles and says something like oh im sure it's not that bad.

My gf joins the conversation and makes out with Lisa one more time after which Lisa turns to me apologises for making out with my girlfriend and suggests to make out with all 3 of us putting our lips together in a circle I go with it because I'm just tired/drunk/horny and don't really know how to respond appropriately and it just felt kinda weird, not exciting at all for me to be honest.

However ever since that day and for the reasons stated above I really want to make this 3some happen. Also important is while I think my gf will be open to more 3somes with different 3rd girls in the future, I feel as if Lisa is the key to unlocking this path for my girlfriend.

But I'm really weirded out now and don't know how to proceed.

Perhaps interesting to note is that my gf and lisa live about 5 min walking distance from each other, and I often times live with my gf there (and some days we live together at my place in a diff city) so there are all kind of opportunities almost every day to set up an activity/ 3 way date, or maybe even just go for drinks with Lisa myself while my gf is out or something. So I'm open to tons of suggestions and I hope this posts gets alot of feedback because dear god do I really need it ha.

Almost forgot perhaps important: At the end of the night after the 3way kissing my gf said verbatim to lisa: "Do you want to come home with us?" to which Lisa replied, I would but I have a female friend who doesn't have a place in the big city and is staying with me tonight so I can't be a bad friend and ditch her.

There was a huge amount of redundant info in this post.

Dude. You want a 3some. Your girl wants a 3some. You both want Lisa. So have her talk to Lisa. She's her friend.

It's not that complicated.

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I don't really understand the question here if there even was one. This kinda looks like an attempt at a subtle bragging post...

You both want a threesome, that's the biggest road block gone already. Go and speak to Lisa and see if she is interested too. Other than that I've got no idea what sort of reply you are looking for here.

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Yeah sick brag right, banged 3 girls in my entire life could probably have banged more but didn't, could also probably have threesome but didn't, honestly if that's what counts as bragging I don't think I'm in the right place

No seriously thanks for reading all that, there is nothing bragworthy here in my opinion and I'm not even one to brag so I really feel as if you misinterpreted it. But I do understand that my question isn't clear and hence I'm going to try and word my issue better a bit below (because it's easier to do so in response to R.C his post imo).
Hey R.C I'd also like to thank you for reading my huge ramble post.
I'm normally a better writer but it's just hard to find congruent thoughts when I'm just completely lost in the three-way dynamic to be honest. I feel if this was just 2 girls who were friends and neither was my girlfriend it'd be easier for me to navigate.

Because of your post and the other poster I can see that I haven't posed my question in a way that it's eazy to help me so I'll try to elaborate more what imo the issue is.

Lisa didn't want to make out with me at all on her birthday even after my girlfriend insisted multiple times, after which my girlfriend was impressed with her & seemed to move away from the 3some idea by saying things such as: "Maybe it's good if you don't make out with her (and I guess its a bit implied we don't do the threesome either) because who knows maybe i'd get too jealous and it'd mess things up".

What you need to know is my girlfriend is very introvert and shy-ish, she will also quickly change her mind about things shes not sure off if people steer her in a different direction.

So I don't want her to go talk to Lisa today, Lisa says that's crazy, I couldn't even kiss with him because I didn't want to create possible drama with you after even if you say it's ok now and my gf is like hmm yeah it's crazy and boom threesome possibility gone forever.

While if I can get Lisa to drool 1/10th as hard over me as she does over my gf, than send my gf to talk to her(in 1 month or so), Lisa is like hmm that'd be hot, my gf gets even hotter thinking about it and boom threesomes forever with other girls than Lisa too (if all goes well).

So my actual problem and question is how do I run game on Lisa, without turning my gf off from the idea of doing a threesome with her (she would get turned off if she would get too jealous I assume). And what do I say to Lisa? Do I try to meet up with her privately? Do I try to meet up with her with my gf there? I just don't know? All I know is right now she is aware that my gf and I both might be down for a threesome with her, and she knows I'm pretty cool but I don't feel like she is looking at me as if I'm an object of desire mostly because I am dating one of her good friends, so basically how do I make her attracted to me and make her view me as a sexual man rather than someone who she cannot sleep with.

Again, thanks for your time everyone

Dude, Lisa is cool with it, trust me.

If your girl is introverted and shy, Lisa simply doesn't want to hurt her or whatever. Because she's unaware that your girl actually wants this.

The only thing you have to do is get the insecurities outta your girlfriends' head. This whole "maybe Lisa was right" stems from her having second guessed herself before this scenario even happened.
And if Lisa's appearance is as you've described it, your girl is probably a bit worried that you might find Lisa more attractive.

Girlfriend needs a confidence boost. That's it. You don't have to run any amount of game on Lisa.

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What makes you think she is cool with it?

shes not completely unaware that my girl wants this, my girl told her she had a dream about having a threesome with me & her, she didn't tell her it's her nr 1 fantasy however.

How do you suggest I handle the confidence boost because I think it's a valid point, I'm a bit reluctant to get my girlfriend to go and convince lisa also because I am scared of possibly scaring my girlfriend away from the idea.

Also, I've been giving it alot of thinking and if I'm truly honest longterm I'd really like to turn my relationship into perhaps a polyamorous relationship with Lisa included in the mix. Which is why I'm putting so much stress on her actually being hot for me as well rather than simply "tolerate me" in the threesome.

Because the way you've described her suggests she's not a closed minded conservative. She's constantly making out with your girlfriend too. She wants it.
She's not aware either.
I don't remember reading whether or not you ever had a threesome before, but I'll tell you one thing. It can either go horribly wrong, or superbly well.
Horribly wrong happens when one person isn't up for it. Currently, that's your girlfriend.
You can't seriously ask me how to boost your girlfriend's confidence. I know nothing about her. Only thing I do know is that she's probably a bit insecure because you might find Lisa more "exotic". Which you will, not necessarily because of how hot she is, but because she's the "new ingredient" in the mix.

Again, if you can so easily scare her away from the idea, she's not ready in the first place. And going through with it will probably not end well.
With two close friends? Not likely.

The dynamics of a relationship tend to be the ones that were set from the beginning. You'd be surprised with how much women will put up with for a quality guy, but it has to be things that define that guy from the beginning. Not sudden changes 3 years into the relationship.

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