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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:05 pm 
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I've been getting into pickup and trying to get more women and specifically of course getting laid more often without commitment. I'm 27 years old going on 28 so I'm trying to do something while I have some youth left. I don't think I'm the best looking guy in the world nor do I even think I'm above average. Your advice though is always the best so any advice is good but If anything I'm below average in looks which I'm working on. I'll post a link to my photo and maybe you guys can give me additional tips on looks and what I should do next to at least better the situation.

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Are my looks good enough to get hot women? A part of me says they're not and a part of me feels it's the entire problem. Maybe that's the entire reason I'm struggling? I'm not sure and I won't be hurt if that's the reason I will just continue to improve what I can.

So I met my Ex on Tinder. I'm using Tinder now, however I get a low response rate and the girls I do talk to on there usually flake. My online game is horrible. How in IRL? So I've been trying to better myself with real life interaction because I've been socially awkward and I've got some success. I always smile and make eye contact with women. Without trying very hard I've been able to get numbers and some success but I can't seem to full close I.E. actually get laid with much success. I'm thinking it largely also might have to do with screening again.

Perhaps I'm not screening the women hard enough and I focus too much energy on a few women. Here is a short log of what's happened recently and the bad results I'm getting. Hopefully you guys can tell me why I'm getting these results and what I can do to improve. Another thing is I might be going for the wrong kinds of women like women with kids

Girl 1. Was at a bar with a friend attending a Birthday party. Across the bar I notice a girl smiling and making mutual eye contact. Eventually this girl comes up to the bar to order a drink. As soon as she looked at me I started talking to her (small talk). She went back to her table but said she'd be back. Before I left the bar I went up to her and said "I have to go but what's a good way to get a hold of you while taking out my phone".

I called her the next day and invited her out to an event on Friday night dinner first and then a dance. She agreed! We had a nice dinner, and when we got to the bar with the dance I ended up holding her hand (aggressive) and eventually working into making out which happened. The entire rest of the night for a couple hours she was grinding me on the dance floor. I thought for sure I had this one.

At the end of the night I said "let's watch some Netflix and try this awesome wine I have at my place". She agreed but said her son was coming in on the bus needed picking up. She has kids and her own business so she seems very busy. She told me to text my address and she'd be over later that night. I texted her my address and she went cold nothing happened. A few days later I offered her a date to something else. She agreed she could make it. This is where in my case it's partially my fault. I flaked on her because something came up where I couldn't keep that second date. She understood, but ever since then I haven't been able to make a date with her again and eventually she ended up ignoring me.

Girl 2. Friends on Facebook. She also has a kid. I messaged her on Facebook saying I'd like to go out and meet her. She agreed and said I was cute. She also said she has kids though and was busy a lot. We eventually ended up going on dinner first and she insisted on a movie which I hate on first dates. We held hands at the theater starting with me going for her hand. She said she had to go but wanted to go out again. We've texted and made plans numerous times and every time she flakes. I would assume she's not interested but believe it or not I believe her kid and her job holds her back because she's sent length messages apologizing telling me how her freedom is gone and how she wants to have have dinner and drink at my place but her Mom won't watch her son etc. She's 24 and good looking.

Girl 3. 20 Years old very hot and works at Buffalo Wild Wings. So we went to BWW she was our waitress. The eye contact, her touching me every time she walked by etc. Made me think she was into me to a degree. We ended up talking about things (small talk) but her manager was getting mad she had to back to work. I came back to BWW later and as soon as I got in and sat down she actually smiled made eye contact and sat next to me to talk for a bit. We talked and I asked for her a way to get a hold of her. She grabbed my phone and typed her number in. She had made to clear she works a ton and is busy a lot though. I know her number is real because come to find she is friends with one of my friends but not good friends. I've tried calling and texting a couple times and never got a reply back. What the heck?

Girl 4. Met her on the bus. Mutual Eye contact and smiling. A lot of talking and she gave me her number but she said she is busy. In her defense she works as a very well paid manager of a trucking company in town. I do happen to know it's a real number. I tried texting once and calling once and she never replied or answered. She is my age about 27.

Girl 5. Is the daughter of a good friend of mine. She's 21. This one is ongoing she recently moved to my city. According to her Dad etc. she is into me and she has even admitted she is promiscuous to me interestingly enough. We've held hands gone on walks etc. When the subject of taking her out to dinner or drinks comes up she has flaked the past two times. Come to find though from her Dad who's in support of us going out, she's been very depressed because of the move and being away from friends back home. This it seems comes down to the whole issue of DTF girls. Even single girls that are promiscuous may not be DTF at certain times because of crazy life things happening and how emotional women get. That's just a guess in this case. This girl and I may go out later but don't know. I've been with this girl at her Dad's house multiple times for dinner etc.

Girl 6. Friends on Facebook. We went out a week ago and she told me she never has sex on the first date but we ended up going back to my place and I go a BJ. I asked her out on another date but she told me she was going out with someone else Saturday.

Girl 7. So this past Saturday this girl was passing out raffle tickets for 1 dollar for her business downtown. I bought some but she complimented me saying "you have very cute dimples". She's 33 but again looks younger. Lots of small talk and her talking about her products etc. I left with her Twitter info etc. Yesterday I posted on her Twitter I put my number there and said "Text me". She texted me. I invited her out to a drink. She asked me "Are you interested in products or just hitting on me lol". I told her I was more interested in getting to know her.

She told me she is looking to meet motivated people that want to go places with their lives but that she didn't have time for any romantic relationships or anything like that just right off the bat. She did agree to going out Saturday for a drink though at 830 unless something came up and by the end of last night she was saying she did get a "good vibe" with me and she gave me a wink. Am I wasting my time with this?

Other Girls. So I've also messaged girls on Craigslist etc. that was looking for sex. I've actually had replies back after sending my photo but many times they flake or quit responding.

As far as my efforts go I haven't been doing a lot of cold approaching like you guys. I've mostly been just looking out for women that make mutual eye contact and smile in public, and a few online exploits. I still have approach anxiety issues which I'm getting better at starting with this easier women it seems. My question is though why am I having such a low success rate with this women, even ones that go out with me?

I'm almost wondering if I wouldn't have more success just going out on a Saturday and aggressively screening chicks that are DTF that night and forgetting this dating/numbers crap altogether? It appears that a lot of the success comes to getting women that same day/night. Then again I wonder if my looks are good enough to do that at this point? Am I capable of getting women that are a 6 or 7 or higher for sex at this point? What do I need to do and what am I doing wrong? I will continue to lose weight and workout at the gym. Thanks for your advice guys as always it's appreciated.


Last edited by ShinyLoveMachine on Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:30 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 19, 2015 7:16 pm 
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Hey man, just a tip.

This is way too long. No one will read this.

You'll get a lot more replies if you shorten it up (dramatically) or create a TLDR version at the top of bottom of the post


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