Sorry if I put this in the wrong section of the forum, but here's my story.

There's this girl (obviously) in my elective class at university. I met her like a month ago, and during the tutorial session part of the class she had moved up and sat near me, she asked me like what books we need for the class and what have you, we talked briefly.

Next week's class (this class only happens once a week) and I saw her I talked to her for a bit asked her if she finished the assignment for class. She eventually asked me to come sit beside her, so we chilled and talked during the three hour lecture/tutorial. The week after we had a mid-term test and we sat beside each other again, and was talking through the test since well the lecture room was pretty big. This week I'm going to ask her to go out for lunch after class of what have you and maybe get her number hopefully. Now I thought this through and there's some problems.

1) We are two years and a couple months apart (Me being the younger one and she knows this as well)

2) I had asked for her msn, but she hasn't added me or I haven't seen her online at all (not looking good)

But I don't know I mean she can't be that fake nice to me, obviously if she doesn't like me she can avoid me. When I saw her last class her face kind of lit up and was like "Hey! How's it going" and she was sometimes interested into what I was looking at, on my computer. She was either bored or was trying to intiate conversation. I don't know, my friend said why the hell not the semester is almost over and the university is big so seeing her by chance is very slim.

btw I'm 18 turning 19 in a few months she's 21 had her birthday a few weeks ago, but if you know the game they said age doesn't matter Razz

So can someone tell me if it's too late. The first thing my friend suggested is as soon as I see her neg her like "Hey Loser"

My plan is to like neg her and shit and then ask her if she wants to get food, and then work my game on her, but I got to keep the conversation interesting that might be a problem. Thoughts and opinions would be appreciated

I wouldn't do this because it is kind of insulting. Some people can pull it off and make it really sarcastic and friendly, but you'd have to be sarcastic from the start.

I believe you can still save this from the LJBF, and as you said she could just avoid you. I think you just have the escalate. Start gaming before, in, or after class and then continue on from there.

P.S. Take that for what it's worth.
P.P.S. Not worth much

How do I game before like when I see her should I say anything or just say hi, how you doing?

Well I take it you know her fairly well, but only in class? I'm going to assume you haven't used much kino, just for the heck of it. As you are talking say something like, "Hey I learned a cool trick." Then run one of the many routines on here. Or another option is to play some sort of kino game, hot hands or thumb wrestling is good.

Oh okay, so "Hey how's it going" she'll say "I'm good and yourself", I'm doing great I learned a cool trick.

Ok but i ain't negging, my friend said neg a lot.

I don't know her THAT well maybe the second class that I sat beside her we talked for a bit but that's it, in other words I got a lot to gain or lose, I'm a newbie on here you mind showing me where these routines or kinos are?

routines-vf9.html

Negging is only needed like 2-3 times and that's only if the girl thinks highly of herself. It is also not an insult. There's actually a good post at the top of the routines page I linked.

Alright, that's even better if you don't know each other that well yet.

And as for your first paragraph, yes.

Hey bro! What's up? Got your post! Seems like you're having a hard time with the HB. You can neg her if you want. However, becareful that it isn't too insultive. You don't want her to be pissed off and hate you.

She's been giving you IOI's by asking you to sit next to her and keeping the convo going. She enjoys your company but is probably waiting for you to pull the move.

Now, using kino can be alittle too late because if she's not comfortable with your touch but enjoys the company then you're just in Friend's Zone. However, to save your ass out of LJBF then you'll have to use KINO subtle. It's best to touch her middle of her arm or top of her arm. LIGHTLY! Don't grab, don't hold it their for more than three seconds. You don't wanna creep the shit out of this girl. Kino will make her feel more comfortable and build up trust.

Also you can tell her she has nice nails and tell her to give her hand to you. Grab her hand and examine her nails. You're actually using Kino in a subtle way.

Another trick you can do is also good is if you smell perferm on her, tell her she has a nice perfurm on. She'll tell you what it is then you can lean towards her and smell it. Make sure you're not on her neck but close to the neck to create that sexual tension.

Another good way is to look at her hair and tell her she has nice hair and what conditioner's she uses. Be subtle about this and don't scare this chick. Grab her hair with your index and middle finger and thumb and feel the hair. This is great kino and will get the girl feel that sexual tension.

Touching her middle of her back is good because it shows you want more than friendship, but touching her lower than that will just tell her you want to fuck.

About negging her. There are three negs you can do:

1) An neg to start up a conversation.
2) A physical neg.
3) A action neg or what she does. E.G. If she drops something then laugh and tell her she's clumbsy.

However, if she's not a stuck up person or a LSE (low-self esteem chick) then she'll get her feelings hurt. So gauge by observing her. IF she lets shit roll off her then you can neg her.

I advise you do not neg until you've got better inner game cuz one little fuck up wiill make you seem like a asshole. For example, I was negging my friend then I disqualified.

HER:Have funn! Lata homie!
ME: Homie?! Do I look like Homer from the Simpsons? Do I punk? Ha ha ha!
HER:Maybe you do! What u gonna do about it? Exactly nothing! Tehe deuce nigga! Dat betta? Ha ha ha!
ME: Now we're getting somewhere. If I'm your nigga then you're a ho or doy you like bitch instead? You can be both! LOL!
HER:I'm a bitchy and a ho for sure! =P ha ha!
ME: Ewww. Totally my type! Ha ha ha! [Bad disqualifier because I already disqualified her before and now I was building attraction she possibly got hurt from it.]

So I learned from it and gonna do some quality damage control. She doesn't hate me over it but she's hurt.

Anywyas, so becareful when you negged too much and DON'T do the crazy ass shit I do! You'll get yourself hanged. You don't have the Frame to pull that shit off!

However, good luck to you man and take care. I wanna know on your progress! Peace out!

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Thanks a lot appreciate it, and I meant go and ask her to get food, I know planning for only one girl usually leads to failure, but I still got to try

This girl i was FWB for a couple of weeks (i still see her) once told me that no guy has ever given her as much shit for what she does as i do. I smiled (we were hooking up when she said that) and grabbed her ass hard enough to make her jump and said "i know and you enjoy that" and followed to kissing her

What about writing notes to her during class, like I can't talk during class so how about writing notes to each other? Smart or not? And if it is what should I write about?

NO DON'T DO THAT! It's so elementary school like. So gay! If you want send her text messages and put the phone on silent.

So you got this chick liking you, sending all these IOI's. Here's what you do bro!

HER: blah blah blah!
YOU: I'm actually going to [place X] on [day Y]. Come along and have fun with me!"
HER: Sure!
YOU: Here, gimme your number; so we can stay more in touch! [Hand her the phone to put her number in or piece of paper].
HER: Here ya go!
YOU: [if you have a cell phone] Here I'll call your cell, then you'll have my number. [dial the number and let her get it. She'll save it to her phone.]

Now your point is not to stay LJBF's so you wanna do this good!

Stay, small talking for abit so it doesn't seem like your just using her or whatever.

In order for this to work be BOLD, CONFIDENT, SINCERE, and REAL with yourself. Women can tell a phony a mile away.

Tell me how it goes! It will work, man and you'll thank me for it!

P.S. If she says that she doesn't know. It doesn't necessarily mean it's a no. Tell her this, "ALright, well you think about it!" and sit somewhere else. This will make her want to give you her number.

IF she says, "I'll think about it!" this is def. a no. From my own experience. Don't push it act UNAFFECTED and act like it doesn't matter. Just say, "Okay that's cool!" and walk away and for acouple of days sit somewhere not near her. This is called a False-Takeaway. USe it wisely nad you'll have her begging.

Peace out bro!

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Wait so I should just ask her straight up? I don't know if she's giving me IOIs. I was thinking when I see her I be like hey I got this cool new trick, and then when I go into class talk to her for a bit maybe with a neg or two, and then don't talk till the end, then ask her if she wanted to go get food at this place (showing decisiveness) maybe play a few more games, and just talk and story tell on my part whenever i get an opportunity and then use this phone closer. Of I got to go here write something creative and then I'll be like I'll give you a hint --- --- ----

Does the place matter?

You could do what you wanted to do but fit in the phone chaser into the game. So for example:

PUA: What's up [her name]! Hey i need a opinion on something. What do you think is healthier for you a veggie burger or a turkey burger?"
HER: blah blah blah!
PUA: I thought you'll pick that! Oh which reminds me a cool trick! Here, ready?
HER: Sure!
PUA: Okay, now close your eyes [complainance test]! Just close them *wait until she closes them* good! Now I'll be right back! [She'll open her eyes and laugh that you're still there.] Are you always this gulliable? *laugh* [she should punch you in the arm] Okay, okay! I'll give you a real test. Ready? [I'm not sure, are you gonna disappear on me?] Not if I'm David Copperfield, I'm not! Anways, close your eyes again. *wait until she closes her eyes. If she does this again then you know she trusts you enough and feels attracted to you. Also has extreme comfort with you*. [run the cube game on her]
HER: Wow! That is soo cool! [or whatever females respond to something amazing]
PUA: I love how you laugh-it's such a turn on for most guys! [notice you didn't directly say you but she will imply that it means you. this is called a SOI and will make her put you into a relationship catagory. This will prevent a LJBF zone. What you're doing is telling her your intention which most guys don't which is a shame. Not doing this will leave the girl hanging there wondering whether or not you like you. If you want you can add this:

PUA: I love how you laugh-you sound so dorky but it's a turn on for most guys!

She'll laugh or playfully hit you in the arm. This is a IOI and she'll likes it.

PUA: AFter class I'm going out to eat. Join me so we can get to know each other better.
HER: Sure!"
PUA: First, gimme your number before we go-so later on if we wanna hang out then we can call one another. [give her the phone so she can type her number in and save it. make sure the number is in the phone. dial the number to her phone.] Okay, I'm gonna call you so you'll get my number.

during class make sure you small talk with her and keep the fire high by flirting with her or teasing her. When class has ended then say:

PUA: Let's go! [grab her hand and if she lets you grab her hand this is good because it's a major IOI. Lead her out the doors and wherever you're gonna go. You can use a C&F line of squeezing her hand and if she squeeze back say:

PUA: [drop her hand] Hey! No hand-holding on our first meeting! [then laugh and grab her hand. She may play with you or tease you about it. If she's reluctant then tell her:

PUA: Well I'll go by myself! See ya! [start to walk away without another word. If she runs up to you and begs to come along then you know she's totally into you. If she wasn't gonna chase you down then she wouldn't care right?]

So make Stealth proud and work your magick kid! Peace out!

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Okay, what's C&F and what kind of small talk? Like about the class or what she did last week? Oh and what if she comes in late or arrives just on time, that's gonna screw me over big time.

What's the Cube Game, and if she follows me at the end what happens? or what? Oh I don't know about the hand grabbing bit like I force her hand? Or leave my hand for her to take