We had a new girl at work tonight. Cleaning the kitchen at night is always hard work. She says to us, she has seen bigger messes at another restaurant. We are all facetiously impressed by her saltiness. I make her clean the dough press, full of nasty gooey concoctions of oil, dough, butter and salt. Suddenly she feels like quitting.

It's not the first lie she tries to live. She tries to say a few more and I keep shutting her down. She hates me, but I don't care. I need good workers, not good talkers. Unfortunately, this problem is not limited to her, or to people at work.


Its usually all pretty women. The hotter they are, the more lies they live. I have talked to some 4s and 5s and stuff just to test things, and those women don't lie about things as much but they still do it.


I wouldnt have a problem with it, except women expect me to pay for things and spend time and energy supporting their lies. Fuck that. That's how I get used. Any time a woman tells a lie and expects me to actually support it I avoid, decline or shut it down.

It is kinda a game killer. I wish chicks wouldnt lie and expect money n shit so much. But see, there is a conundrum here. Supporting a woman's lies might get me laid, but it might get me used just as likely. It takes resources I could have used getting laid with another woman who would actually put out. I cant determine it the risk is generally worth it.

I don't get it. So there's a mess in the kitchen...she says she's seen worse. I have no idea what you think she was trying to lie about there. I mean, if my apartment is messy and a girl tells me she's seen messier, I take it as she's trying to make me feel better about my mess. When people say they've seen worse, it's typically to be positive about a situation. When someone says they've seen better, yeah they may be bragging.

How are chicks using you to support their lies?

Ur meeting the wrong women. Many of them do neither of these things in general.

Most of your posts are written from a negative place. Even though I don't know you, it makes me think that you are a naturally negative person and are automatically hostile towards attractive women. This would probably explain why your interactions are negative. You are quite possibly driving the types of women that you want to be with away before you can have a real conversation. At some point you need to break that cycle of hostility by postponing your judgement of attractive women.

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This.

You can love women if you hate them .

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Some times people don't want to tell something about themselves.e.g if its something personal about them. So they may lie to avoid that. That doesn't make people a liar.

If they have a habit of doing this occasionally, then you probably don't wanna hang out with these kind of people. Don't label people as "liars" though, every one has their reasons for what they do.

As for women, you've got to find the ones whose values match to yours. Not all of them are liars for sure.

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Yeah, cause men are such exemplars of morality and ethics.

Dude, there's quality people and shit people. Gender has nothing to do with it. You're either meeting the wrong people in the wrong environments, or have a very fucked up view of the world.

Decide which it is and start working on it.

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Ok first off, I dont think I explained the context right, kinda cut it short. What she was implying, and supporting the concept of later, was that the work here was easy for her, when clearly it was not. She kept trying to say things about how she was such a good hard worker, and when I put her to the test, she never came through.

I don't know what chicks yall have been talking to but most of the ones I have been usually both expect me to pay their way and support things about them that are not true. Things that get me used. There's no way none of you havent noticed this. If it has not happened to you so often, fine, but what do you do when a woman is trying to put herself on a pedestal, trying to get you to think shes a big deal so that she can use you?

Not give her the time of day?

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This is why I believe a lot of guys need to learn basic social skills before attempting to master dating /pickup skills. Chapelle, no one goes to a job the first day and acts like they can not do a task. If you put the average person in a new job with a difficult task, of course they are going to act like they are fully competent and can do it. Who goes to a job interview and acts like something is too difficult? People say sure ican do that and freak out about it secretly.

Your job as a manager is not to be an asshole and to recognize how to manage effectively. Let her get used to things. Be cool. Manage. Don't bring hatred to your job man.

I can't say the majority of women use men like that sorry. I've seen you use her possessions and superficial stuff such as clothes to justify why women should want you. In my experience the guys who think it's all material don't get the quality girls and the only girls who will agree to a date with you will be the ones who want to use you. If u offer nothing besides your money the average girl is gonna be bored and not date you. The girls who want money will agree to use you. So offer women more than your money and you'll find women who won't use you. Fix the personality humor be interesting. If you can't do these things or its too much effort then hell pay to play.

This might come off as a little bit of a "dickish" comment... but you need some kind of therapy dude. You need to talk to someone. I mean that in the most genuine way of trying to help you.

You've been posting the same negative shit for a few years now. Nothing has changed. You've got some deep inner issues that you need to work out before you'll have women in your life.

I'm assuming that the majority of the experienced posters here do not regularly encounter women who are trying to make themselves appear "better" than the guy because of the frame the guys are entering their relationships with. It comes from entering all of your relationships with a healthy vibe.

Also if a woman insinuated that I would be paying for her to get X, Y and Z I would laugh and move on immediately.

The adjusted woman isn't there for material acquisitions. She is there because YOU bring value in to her life, period.

Hmm, well I am getting some kind of decent responses at least.

The theme of "just move on" is somewhat applicable, but not good pickup. Even if these girls suck, I still might wanna bang them. This is a pickup forum, why are you guys trying to give me relationship and mental health advice? I am not looking for that kind of advice, I wanna know how to bang a chick without spending money on her.

Otherwise, I don't know if you guys are living near awesome women or just ignoring when they're crazy or what, but I am far from the only guy who recognizing how difficult and crazy and gold diggering women can be. From my young friends to my middle aged friends getting divorced to my older friends, there is no lack of recognition of the troubles women are bringing, besides the fact that if women were more dependent, initiative and simple there would be no reason to have this forum. I am starting to think the real case here is yall are trying to convince me the problem is with me only, so I can feel insecure and buy whatever you're trying to sell me.

But anyways, the only real help I have ever seem to have got from anyone here was from Dragula, and that shit was on point. Dunno where he's at but I have no reason to believe anything else yall are saying when you've never told me anything helpful (cept maybe the ditch the golddigger advice) and you're denying the reality experienced by me, plenty of guys in my real life, and plenty of guys on here.

What I am getting from this, is that you guys generally ignore the problem and deal with women's bs till you get the lay. I guess that's what ima do.

LMAO...you're doing the same thing. You generalize everyone and your problem is becoming more and more obvious. Why the hell would anyone want to help you if you have negative feelings about everyone? Why would any woman want to get with you if you have negative feelings about them? IMO, your attitude is bad. If you have a bad attitude, your choices of women will be limited to what you can get. Right now you have limited yourself to women that constantly feed you bs and want you to pay for everything.

You have a couple of options. 1) Learn how to be positive, nonjudgmental, and quit generalizing. 2) Change the way you carry yourself and have a superior mindset so these women quit bs'ing you and trying to get you to come out of the pocket.

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