So recently I've been seeing this girl I really like. Blonde, green eyes, red lips and soft skin. So yeah very attractive. It was the second date so I know she's at least somewhat interested which is good, the date went really well I drive her back to her place and she invites me upstairs. We make out for like 40 mins, but VERY passionately. So yeah, she's definitely interested. I was pretty happy with my game to be honest, it could have been better but I was playing hard to get the entire time. But I also let her know that I liked her enough to take her on a second date.

And I know she's interested in me but I swear this girl must have been reading some PUA stuff because she's turning the game around on me. I never know how interested she really is, even though we were all over each other for like an hour I still left unsure of how she feels about it.

Right from the first date she DHV's herself (Pre-selection) and mentions how she has other guys constantly at her heels, she'd bring up how she thought this guy or that guy was hot and how she was going to go to America and find her cowboy or something. I know she's playing the jealousy card so I have to keep reminding myself or else I'll let it get to my head. It's also worth noting that she mentioned how she had/has (I'm not sure) sex at least once a week. Probably her trying to make me jealous because if it was an IOD she would have turned down the make out session.

Then she mentions how she's planning on moving out of town sometime soon. She even used the words, "Well I don't have any kind of relationship or partner keeping me here". She's playing the "act now or miss out" card, literally like some stores do with sales. And I know she's playing all these cards on me because I've played them on other girls hundreds of times now but god damn it, it still works.

Anyway to get to the point, she's going overseas for a while but we've already set up a third date for when she gets back. I wanted to take her to this really expensive high rise restaurant then a movie or something and then ask her out (as in a relationship). The questions are:

Is paying for an expensive restaurant date too much?
Will it kill the "does he like me?" spell?
How should I ask her the question without seeming needy?

I have like a million more questions but they can't all fit here. Anyway I'm sure you guys will mention anything important.

I really like this girl guys, I'm counting on you here. Don't let me down.

Cheers.

Spark Plug

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So you want a nutcase like this...after 2 dates...who is going overseas for some time to be your gf...and you're really considering dropping money to do so?

It's funny that you call her a nutcase for using game techniques that literally ever guy on this site is using. You won't agree with this but the fact that you called her a nutcase for using game makes you sound like one of those über feminist PUA hate ham beasts you see lurking around the Internet. She's overseas for like 2 weeks not a year and yeah I like the girl, I haven't liked a girl as much as I like her in some time. Why wouldn't I try and move things along?

Also your comments aren't helpful bud. Kindly post something worthwhile or get the f**k out of my thread

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You mistake game techniques for nutcase red flags. I will explain. Firstly, there is no game tactic ever written that has said to tell a chick other girls want you. Closest thing to that is Mystery's preselection stuff where he says to throw in stories that INDIRECTLY mention other girls. Far cry from a girl telling you other guys want her. Even then, those same Mystery's DHV's are seen as weird and creepy in the community. So you have a girl who is doing an INCORRECT version of a method that is already seen as weird. Even if a guy were doing preselection stuff, he would be advised not to say it like that because it comes across as insecure. If a guy were doing what she is doing, Mystery himself would prob call him a nutcase and that's how he'd come across to women. In fact, it's advised not to game like she is because you typically only get low self esteem women like that.

Then you want to ask this girl to be your gf, after 2 dates? And I'm assuming no sex yet. Again, it's not really advised anywhere to wife up a chick if you or her are still at the "playing games" stage. And it's not advised to do so after TWO dates. And its not advised to do so before you've even slept with the girl. None of this is a good move in ANY school of pickup. I'm sorry but I have no idea what book or technique you're speaking of, because all this is against common sense, and against everything in pickup. Like a girl all you want, but you gotta admit asking a girl before sex to be your gf is crazy. Asking her after 2 dates is crazy. Asking her when she is still playing these little games is crazy. Lol, it's like you're acting like all this is textbook game. It's not. And I would love to see another poster who would actually agree that this is a good move.

I thought I told you to leave dude. Why are you still here?

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Haha. Are you so in love with and desperate for this girl that you must be rude towards legitimately good advice saying it's a bad move? Anyways carry on and good luck man.

Spark plug - don't listen to him.

He is right though...

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Seeing as how you like to spit tech terms every other two words, here's a new one for you OP: onitis.
After two sexless dates? No, it's perfectly fine. Go for it.
Of-course it's too damn much. You think trying to impress with expensive restaurants will shortcut you into her pants? Do you not see how cheesy that is?
It will also kill the "any attraction I may have had for him" spell.
So many things wrong with this I don't even know where to start.

1. You don't go for a relationship after two dates. You just don't.
2. You don't go for a relationship before having sex, just like you don't buy a car before taking it for a test drive. It's common sense. You'd think.
3. You don't ask a woman to be your girlfriend. Unless you're in midschool. Seriously who does that anymore? Just let things naturally evolve towards that direction, do things couples do with her and she will sooner rather than later ask for exclusivity.

It's obvious how inexperienced you are OP. And having that piss poor attitude towards member that give you legit will be looked down upon. You little bitch.

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I love the noobs who can't actually take the advice they NEED to hear, and immediately call anyone speaking a shread of 'hard to hear truth' a dick... as they're killing the positivity.

Cause right - life is all clouds and unicorn jizz.

Everyone who's ever gotten good at this has done so by failing. Repeatedly... And learning.

OP - you've got at least 3 guys in this thread who've contributed decent advice and know what they're doing... All shockingly the advice you don't want to hear. Sorry.

Man up, though. Everyone doesn't get a participation trophy.

We aren't your therapists and we aren't here to spare your delicate feelings. You asked a question.

First, Nice username. It really suits your personality. Second, If you don't want to listen to advice why did you post in the first place ?? To hear what you wanted ?? That's pathetic. Sorry.
Go ask some dude of yours to tell you that you are doing awesome. It will feel real good.

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I don't care how good your advice is, you brought it up in a disrespectful way and therefore I'm going to ignore everything you say.

It was the second date but I had been talking with this girl over the phone for a month or two before we met so I already knew her pretty well anyway.

I'm not desperate and I still have options with other women. But when you know, you know. I'm going after this girl and I'm going to do it my way.

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Poor neo.

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Frank taught you well

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You lack the proper intellect required to comprehend a forum like this.

Stop wasting everyone's time and go read cosmo.

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Haha. Keep in mind, I originally just repeated the situation in the form of a question. Then even when OP was disrespectful to me, I still just gave the reasonings for my assumptions on the CHICK, and never said anything about the OP. That's disrespectful I guess.

As a side note, is it me or is pickup declining? I mean, I remember a few years ago when threads were started over how to get my girl to do a 3some, or should I go on date 2 when date 1 didn't lead to sex. Now its friendzone stuff and one itis. Which I guess is the same thing. I don't know abt the other forums though. I've had Models on my Kindle for a while and I've refused to read it because it's promoted so much, but then I assume that if these guys are reading Models and coming out with oneitis then I shouldnt read it. Dumb but true.