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Alright guys, I'll just start off by saying Iv'e been seeing this beautiful blonde girl (HB9) for a couple of weeks. By seeing I actually mean we study together, we go to the gym together and yes she also invites me to her apartment (where she lives with her sister) often. We meet often. I know for a fact I'm not "friendzoned" so don't even try thinking towards that direction. She actually digs me, she likes me because we have so much in common, and our personality's are just alike. We have created this bubble of me&you against the world thingy.

I think she's awesome, she think's I'm awesome. I feel like we could become something. Her? I seriously don't know. She says some stuff like: "You remember when we hated each other the first time we met? Love starts with fights" and so forth...

First nightmare: We party together for the first time. Holy shit guys, help me.
She was making out with three of my buddies in the pre-party, I was witnessing the first two, surely I believed the third guy who told me she made out with him. Whilst in the club I barely see her. Don't think I was running around looking for her, I'm not like that. I had the time of my life.

Second nightmare: We party together for the second time.
Next weekend she invites me in to her apartment for some wine. We are alone, sitting on the couch in the living room, she also asks me what I think she should wear. Before we leave for the pre-party she tells me "Don't leave me in the club tonight", "promise me you won't leave me tonight", "Don't leave me alone", "Seriously I don't want to be left alone". I respond "of course" calmly and clear. The look in her eyes while telling me this made it seem like she really wanted to be with me throughout the night. And no one else.

Same shit happens again, this time I got really disappointed in her and she dropped from a HB9 to a fucking HB4 in my eyes. As soon as she sees lot's of people in one room and she got some alcohol in her system she turns into a, god help me, whore. Every bullshit she told me was a true lie, SHE ended up leaving me all night long. I barely saw her. She runs off with every freaking guy. Again, I do my thing having fun in the club with my buddies. There were a few moments in the club where we accidentally crossed vision and she ran up to me and tells me how much she only wants to be with me and no one else. She begs me to stay with her. She runs off again. I'm left up there speechless, what the fuck?

My opinion is, she is mostly confused and she doesn't know what she really wants. Things that happens in a party, like making out, I literally don't care about. Now, I want to hear your thoughts about this, lads. I really want to make a way for this to work out. I want her to be mine. She is a unique girl who approximately every guy wants to be with. It's just that I don't want to lose an opportunity like this if there possibly is a way of this working out, and there is always a way. First off, what should I do? How should I act in front of her? Any other opinions are welcome. Thanks in advance.

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Alright guys, I'll just start off by saying Iv'e been seeing this beautiful blonde girl (HB9) for a couple of weeks. By seeing I actually mean we study together, we go to the gym together and yes she also invites me to her apartment (where she lives with her sister) often. We meet often. I know for a fact I'm not "friendzoned" so don't even try thinking towards that direction. She actually digs me, she likes me because we have so much in common, and our personality's are just alike. We have created this bubble of me&you against the world thingy.

I think she's awesome, she think's I'm awesome. I feel like we could become something. Her? I seriously don't know. She says some stuff like: "You remember when we hated each other the first time we met? Love starts with fights" and so forth...

First nightmare: We party together for the first time. Holy shit guys, help me.
She was making out with three of my buddies in the pre-party, I was witnessing the first two, surely I believed the third guy who told me she made out with him. Whilst in the club I barely see her. Don't think I was running around looking for her, I'm not like that. I had the time of my life.

Second nightmare: We party together for the second time.
Next weekend she invites me in to her apartment for some wine. We are alone, sitting on the couch in the living room, she also asks me what I think she should wear. Before we leave for the pre-party she tells me "Don't leave me in the club tonight", "promise me you won't leave me tonight", "Don't leave me alone", "Seriously I don't want to be left alone". I respond "of course" calmly and clear. The look in her eyes while telling me this made it seem like she really wanted to be with me throughout the night. And no one else.

Same shit happens again, this time I got really disappointed in her and she dropped from a HB9 to a fucking HB4 in my eyes. As soon as she sees lot's of people in one room and she got some alcohol in her system she turns into a, god help me, whore. Every bullshit she told me was a true lie, SHE ended up leaving me all night long. I barely saw her. She runs off with every freaking guy. Again, I do my thing having fun in the club with my buddies. There were a few moments in the club where we accidentally crossed vision and she ran up to me and tells me how much she only wants to be with me and no one else. She begs me to stay with her. She runs off again. I'm left up there speechless, what the fuck?

My opinion is, she is mostly confused and she doesn't know what she really wants. Things that happens in a party, like making out, I literally don't care about. Now, I want to hear your thoughts about this, lads. I really want to make a way for this to work out. I want her to be mine. She is a unique girl who approximately every guy wants to be with. It's just that I don't want to lose an opportunity like this if there possibly is a way of this working out, and there is always a way. First off, what should I do? How should I act in front of her? Any other opinions are welcome. Thanks in advance.

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I know for a fact I'm not "friendzoned" so don't even try thinking towards that direction
- hmmm, too late, I strongly disagree, the fact that you emphasised it, already suggests you kinda suspect this already
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I think she's awesome, she think's I'm awesome. I feel like we could become something. Her? I seriously don't know. She says some stuff like: "You remember when we hated each other the first time we met? Love starts with fights" and so forth...
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She was making out with three of my buddies
-hmmm the oneitus is strong on this one. She makes out with your friends and you still think she is awesome? Most men with self respect would of ditched at this point.
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I really want to make a way for this to work out
-hmmmm, why though? You will invite her your parents xmas party and she will make out with your dad and brothers.

I am sorry, but you are a massive orbiter. Why haven't you tried to kiss her this entire time bro? Do you have escalation anxieties? Girls tend to do this when you don't make a move.
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-hmmm the oneitus is strong on this one. She makes out with your friends and you still think she is awesome? Most men with self respect would of ditched at this point.
I have ditched her though, we don't talk as much as we used to and when we talk it's her who starts the conversation, I just didn't complete the whole story. Still my questions arise around if there are ways to turn her over or not.
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-hmmmm, why though?
Because I can see potential in myself in learning if I could be that awesome to actually change her mindset.
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I am sorry, but you are a massive orbiter. Why haven't you tried to kiss her this entire time bro? Do you have escalation anxieties? Girls tend to do this when you don't make a move.
Thanks pal, I should just be honest, I don't fucking know why I am not just leaning in. Just stupid.
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Trust me, I'm working on it.

Besides, you didn't actually give any answers that could help me at all. All you did was putting focus in how much of an oneitus she is to me. It sure does look like it when you read a detailed story, but bro, I think you know better. Just because I'm "new" in the forum does not mean I'm "new" with ladies and how they function. If you read the last piece of my story you probably sooner or later will get it.

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Yea bro, you just let her bend you over and fuck you. You can't expect women to throw themselves ESP HOT WOMEN all over yourself. THEY ALWAYS HAVE GUYS SLAMMING DOWN THEIR DOORS TO GET INSIDE THEIR PUSSY. You are wayyy to passive. A guy - a sexual, confident, alpha guy who wants pussy - goes for what he wants... You have all this interest from her and you didn't even try to lift a finger to try and fuck her.

If she pushes you away physically several times at different times *ALONE* then you're done. Sounds like you wouldn't have to be alone though for as promiscuous as she is.


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Sorry to be harsh, but had to be said...

I pretty certain that she WAS into you initially but you didn't pull the trigger bro.

Girls don't honk themselves at guys like in the movies, you gotta grab your balls and go for it.

Just because she makes out with a whole night club doesn't mean she is fucking any of them. So you should still make the big move and hope she hasn't put you in orbiter category permanently

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Well, at least judging by your reply to Drag you have some willingness to learn. You may not be a retard when it comes to women, but you're by no means good either. And that's ok.

A'right, let's see:
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Alright guys, I'll just start off by saying Iv'e been seeing this beautiful blonde girl (HB9) for a couple of weeks. By seeing I actually mean we study together, we go to the gym together and yes she also invites me to her apartment (where she lives with her sister) often. We meet often. I know for a fact I'm not "friendzoned" so don't even try thinking towards that direction. She actually digs me, she likes me because we have so much in common, and our personality's are just alike. We have created this bubble of me&you against the world thingy.
A person with whom you study, go to the gym and visit is called a friend. A person with whom you study, go to the gym, visit and fuck (or have some sort of sexual activity - even kiss) is called more than a friend.

Whether or not you're friendzoned (just yet) is open to discussion but don't for a moment think that's not where this is headed. And as always, she's not friendzoning you, you're friendzoning yourself.
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She says some stuff like: "You remember when we hated each other the first time we met? Love starts with fights" and so forth...
I say shit like that to girls all the time. I don't have a romantic interest in the majority of them. It's just flirting, because I enjoy it.
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First nightmare: We party together for the first time. Holy shit guys, help me.
She was making out with three of my buddies in the pre-party, I was witnessing the first two, surely I believed the third guy who told me she made out with him. Whilst in the club I barely see her. Don't think I was running around looking for her, I'm not like that. I had the time of my life.
I don't think makeouts are a big deal but with 3 dudes, pre-party, in the presence of the guy she's supposedly is interested in? Come on dude.. she may have some interest, or have had at first, but right now don't think she gets wet over the though of you before going to bed at night.
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Second nightmare: We party together for the second time.
Next weekend she invites me in to her apartment for some wine. We are alone, sitting on the couch in the living room, she also asks me what I think she should wear. Before we leave for the pre-party she tells me "Don't leave me in the club tonight", "promise me you won't leave me tonight", "Don't leave me alone", "Seriously I don't want to be left alone". I respond "of course" calmly and clear. The look in her eyes while telling me this made it seem like she really wanted to be with me throughout the night. And no one else.
She invites you to her apartment. For some wine. And you're alone. AND SHE ASKS YOU WHAT TO WEAR. And somehow the answer of "Right now? nothing" or "Matching underwear" did not cross your mind?
This is what I meant by friendzoning yourself.
First of all waiting for the perfect moment to make a move is stupid. There are no perfect moments, but if there ever was one, this would've been it.
Why did you not do anything?
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Same shit happens again, this time I got really disappointed in her and she dropped from a HB9 to a fucking HB4 in my eyes. As soon as she sees lot's of people in one room and she got some alcohol in her system she turns into a, god help me, whore. Every bullshit she told me was a true lie, SHE ended up leaving me all night long. I barely saw her. She runs off with every freaking guy. Again, I do my thing having fun in the club with my buddies. There were a few moments in the club where we accidentally crossed vision and she ran up to me and tells me how much she only wants to be with me and no one else. She begs me to stay with her. She runs off again. I'm left up there speechless, what the fuck?
Women are creatures of the moment. She actually meant those things when she said them, but then her mood changed and so did her feelings and inner state. She runs off with every fucking guy because she has no reason not to. If you had the chance of running with every fucking woman, would you do it or wait for the slow-poke's ass to finally bust a move? You're giving her no reasons not to, dude. She owes you nothing, because you've effectively never given her the chance.
I get the bitterness you're feeling, we've all been there at some point, but you're being a lill' bitch for calling her a whore because she's not reading your mind and giving you what you want.

It's her job to put herself in a position of being seduced by you, and your job to do the actual seducing. She's doing her part, yours lacks entirely.
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My opinion is, she is mostly confused and she doesn't know what she really wants. Things that happens in a party, like making out, I literally don't care about. Now, I want to hear your thoughts about this, lads. I really want to make a way for this to work out. I want her to be mine. She is a unique girl who approximately every guy wants to be with. It's just that I don't want to lose an opportunity like this if there possibly is a way of this working out, and there is always a way. First off, what should I do? How should I act in front of her? Any other opinions are welcome. Thanks in advance.
Oh she knows exactly what she wants. To have fun.

She's not a unique girl, and you're thinking she is will do nothing to enhance your chances of success. It's most probably part of the reason why you're not fucking her instead of writing posts on the forum.
Amp up the sexuality in your conversations. BE sexual. Flirt. Make-out. Have sex. Stop treating her as if you were just friends and if you're not too far down the friendzone path she'll start seeing you as more than that.
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Because I can see potential in myself in learning if I could be that awesome to actually change her mindset.
You won't change her. You won't change anyone for that fact and my question to you is why would you? If she has character traits that you can't live with that means you're not compatible.
If you can't stand a BMW, you don't buy a BMW and try to change it into a Merc. You buy a Merc in the first place.

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PostPosted: Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:42 am 
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Iv'e read through the replies and I just want to begin by saying thank you for being harsh, I love it, don't be sorry. It's one of the ways I will actually "feel" what you are trying to tell me and what I'm doing wrong. I'm not making a long-lived reply but I can clearly see that I am a bit of a pussy when trying to escalate the lady, that I don't have the balls to lean in. I think this is one major sticking point for me.
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Well, at least judging by your reply to Drag you have some willingness to learn.
Thanks for noticing that.
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She invites you to her apartment. For some wine. And you're alone. AND SHE ASKS YOU WHAT TO WEAR. And somehow the answer of "Right now? nothing" or "Matching underwear" did not cross your mind?
This is what I meant by friendzoning yourself.
I see this clearly now, and I will take action to change this. Do you have any suggestions how to do that for this matter of problem? I know that in this particular moment I should just have been "getting the hint", apparently sometimes I'm too retarded for that.
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Just because she makes out with a whole night club doesn't mean she is fucking any of them.
That's what I'm thinking too.
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You failed to bust a move,he who hesitates masturbates, :lol:
Don't be too hard on yourself,I had a gf like this once,I also used to make out with her friends at parties .If it makes you feel any better ,I hesitated with her and her friend ,yes the revered 3 way was presented to me on a silver platter and I failed to engage,it still haunts me 20 years later. :mrgreen:


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Iv'e read through the replies and I just want to begin by saying thank you for being harsh, I love it, don't be sorry. It's one of the ways I will actually "feel" what you are trying to tell me and what I'm doing wrong. I'm not making a long-lived reply but I can clearly see that I am a bit of a pussy when trying to escalate the lady, that I don't have the balls to lean in. I think this is one major sticking point for me.
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Well, at least judging by your reply to Drag you have some willingness to learn.
Thanks for noticing that.
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She invites you to her apartment. For some wine. And you're alone. AND SHE ASKS YOU WHAT TO WEAR. And somehow the answer of "Right now? nothing" or "Matching underwear" did not cross your mind?
This is what I meant by friendzoning yourself.
I see this clearly now, and I will take action to change this. Do you have any suggestions how to do that for this matter of problem? I know that in this particular moment I should just have been "getting the hint", apparently sometimes I'm too retarded for that.
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Just because she makes out with a whole night club doesn't mean she is fucking any of them.
That's what I'm thinking too.
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BE sexual. Flirt. Make-out. Have sex.
Sir, yes sir!

It's pretty obvious your problem - you have no idea how to escalate.

This girl presented herself on a silver platter. As other posters have explained, don't expect a formal written invitation. FUCKING ESCALATE. Here's how you SHOULD have done it:

1. When you get to the club, pull her around. LEAD. DANCE WITH HER. She's one of those shiny object girls so you have to be more interesting than anything else.
2. When dancing get close. Do the front on dancing. LOOK HER IN THE EYE. Get close. Hold for a bit. Then kiss her.
3. Run your hands over her body. Touch her. Let your hand rest on her ass and judge her reaction. She doesn't move it? Squeeze a bit next time you kiss.
4. Pull back. Be the FIRST one to do so. Dance some more. Do NOT let her go.


To address some other stuff:
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She actually digs me, she likes me because we have so much in common, and our personality's are just alike. {/quote]

LOL.

Women don't fuck guys because they have "so much in common" or are "so alike" but because they turn them on, physically and emotionally.

You can continue to have long talks in her bedroom about all your commonalities. I'd say your about two weeks away from having her coming to you crying about the first guy who she's had sex with who quickly left her for another guy. Do NOT go down that road.

Note of warning - this is one of those "shiny object" girls. I wouldn't stake any sort of hopes on her, at least INITIALLY, judging by your description of her behaviour. I'm not saying that you shouldn't necessarily pursue a relationship, just be realistic. If she's running around making out with all those guys now, there's a high likelihood she'll do it in the future too, even if you are seeing her. Keep that in mind.


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UPDATE: Okay guys, apparently Iv'e played my part real good... But this is one of these moments where I have played the game just right, though I did now know what I did right, get me? (the english is not perfect but I hope it is well enough for you to understand). This is a sign of a natural gamer, yay me.

OK so let's get to it. Nowadays she writes to me almost every day, she wants to meet up and take some "walks around the park" with me an so on. I can see that every action I take when we sit in groups she watches my every move. She stares at me often, I can see it clearly (It's so much fun). She has stopped drinking alcohol because it made her act like a child, she came clear with that and she haven't been drinking for almost two weeks now. This time she is trying to prove it to me again and again. She tries to show off her coolness and her power/will to say no to other guys for me. Could it be she is getting feelings for me?

Oh right, we kissed twice in her apartment.

No girl fools me twice, so I'm still playing this VERY cautiously.

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UPDATE: Okay guys, apparently Iv'e played my part real good... But this is one of these moments where I have played the game just right, though I did now know what I did right, get me? (the english is not perfect but I hope it is well enough for you to understand). This is a sign of a natural gamer, yay me.

OK so let's get to it. Nowadays she writes to me almost every day, she wants to meet up and take some "walks around the park" with me an so on. I can see that every action I take when we sit in groups she watches my every move. She stares at me often, I can see it clearly (It's so much fun). She has stopped drinking alcohol because it made her act like a child, she came clear with that and she haven't been drinking for almost two weeks now. This time she is trying to prove it to me again and again. She tries to show off her coolness and her power/will to say no to other guys for me. Could it be she is getting feelings for me?

Oh right, we kissed twice in her apartment.

No girl fools me twice, so I'm still playing this VERY cautiously.
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I think somebody is about to get his diploma in lessons with women.

And when I say diploma, I mean "Burned as hell"
No buddy, expect a lay report real soon.

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