Well, last year, myfirst determined attempt at sarging ended with college security; this time, I will try at the mall, doing twenty approaches at once, but what quality, numbers-wise? The issue is approach anxiety, and how do I approach groups? A girl in a group worries me.

I know about standing from the side, and not leaning in, but I've not approached with high energy.

Any good videos on what I'm discussing?

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It's better to have one good connection (note I'm not talking about taking a lot of time for that connection to happen) than to spam approach and end up with 10 #s that lead no where.

Additionally, if you go up to every girl and tell her she looks so cute etc. not only is it socially uncalibrated, it can land you right back where it did the first time.

Forget about whether you're leaning in or leaning out or thinking to yourself "I'ma go approach a bunch of chix." Just bring your good vibes to the occasion and share those vibes.

Avoid having a demeanor that implicitly states you are tryna 'get' something from the girl.

Bringing genuine energy is more important than trying to force high energy. After all, after a couple of successful convos your energy should naturally rise and generate more interest.

The fact that your first foray ended up where it did should be a clue to how you need to modify your approach to all of this:

Step outside of yourself and think of it:

What's more attractive to a woman, a guy who is bouncing around trying to talk to (and possibly trying to impress) every girl he sees, or the suave playboy who sees someone who fits his criteria but he wants to go in and see in a non-arrogant fashion if she's cool enough to hang with him.

What's more attractive to a woman, a guy who is going to every girl and telling her she is gorgeous (I believe this is a form of supplication, putting her beauty on a pedestal like that) or the guy who goes up to the girl and starts talking about a ceiling tile but through his demeanor, his penetrating eye contact and his tonality has the girl completely swooning in the first 5 seconds.

These little things are mental masturbation. Focus on being authentic and stand how you want to stand, approach at whatever angle you want to approach. Blank your mind and say what pops in your head. This made a massive difference to my approaches. Feeling comfortable is better than than being fake alpha.

Not sure what you're going to get banned from malls though? Are you doing some RSD press up challenges in the mall?

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No, not a disciple of RSD. I just was told I should approach twenty at once, instead of five, and I did. I got into the groove, and got up to 22, or 23. By then, I was just having a pretty normal conversation with a girl, when security, arrived.

I was starting to relax, I'm saying. Now, I know a lot about theory, and nervousness aside, I think I understand things well, even if I can't execute.

I don't have much confidence approaching groups, especially, like most starting, out. Is there any tutorial about approaching groups of two, three,say?

When I see a woman in conversation, how to I break in? Also, how do I approach a hired gun when there are people in line, that kind of situation?

Lastly, I was wondering, about when approaching, how ugly should they be, starting out? I've heard six, but for practice, what's best?

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Focus on girls who are alone. You're trying to dabble in too many situations. Give yourself the best chance.

Talk to a girl who you wouldn't mind getting with. Forget assigning a number to them.

I can commend the shotgun approach in the 1st stages. It's good to blast out 20 approaches like that to really knock down that barrier. But yeah. You probably won't be doing that for the time being, especially in malls. Don't fuck with the goose that lays you the gold eggs

Group set/solo;

Yeah, it can be done either way.

Push your comfort zones with groups or, start with solo girls and then work your way up to 2 girls, then 3 and so on, up to you.

Tbh, everybody only approaches solo girls. It's just much more fruitful from my experience.

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CONTEXT, CALIBRATION and COMFORT

Are you approaching direct? Saying "hey I thought you were cute so I decided to come over to talk?"

This might cause you trouble especially for day game.

Instead of those kinds of approaches establish some sort of CONTEXT behind the reason for approaching besides her physical looks

E.g. I LOVE that jacket!

Am I the only person who thinks that the person who glued these prices on are crazy?

Establish some sort of contextual reason to open.


Then CALIBRATE - if she's obviously uncomfortable then eject. ALSO there are times when it simply ISN"T a good idea to enter into the set - pick the sets that look the easiest and that cause you the least stress.

COMFORT - Make her comfortable, relaxed, and enjoying herself. The key there is to be in that frame yourself.

Soo...go for girls i just find, well, attractive, typically alone, and eject if she's uncomfortable. Simple enough--me, I've done a ton of ejecting early though the set was swimming along beautifully.

Because I'm afraid, I'm just too worried about everything--I know.

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I think I was the guy who advised the OP to ramp up his approaches to 20 in the campus. I'm not sure how the OP went about the execution, his demeanor, his personal grooming and so on. That's water under the bridge though. All that I can postulate for now is that the OP probably approached 20 girls in just one area some 10 or 20 square meters where he got the attention of campus security for unusual activity.

With that said, I do day game and cold approach girls in malls, public transport terminals, shops, restaurants, supermarkets, groceries, banks, and so on. Now, I'm mostly doing sarges in the university. I have yet to be approached by security because of approaching girls. When I sing at the malls, I get approached by security though for song requests.

This is basically how I do mall approaches. I go in to one location, a bookstore for instance, to look for books. Yep. Books. Not women. Then when I see submissiveness signals from a girl, I approach in the bookstore. If I fail to get an instadate, I either move on without a number close, get a number close, or if the girl is really attracted, the girl number closes me.

Afterwards, I move to another location; the big supermarket for instance. I go to the dairy section to look for (not women) cheese or milk. If a hot girl is within the dairy section, I open her whether there are no IOIs or some. When the vibe is right, I go for an instadate. If the vibe isn't right, I go to the meat section. I sarge the hired guns there or a customer. You get the drift: bounce from one place to another looking for something very specific and girls are just secondary to your main agenda.

Dairy Section --> one girl (main agenda - milk)
Meat Section --> one set (main agenda - bacon)
Fruits Section --> one girl (main agenda - banana)
Canned Goods Section --> one girl (main agenda - Spanish sardines)
Beverages Section --> one girl (main agenda - Jack Daniels)
Breads Section --> one set (main agenda - bagels)

After the supermarket and with a couple of bags of groceries (milk, cheese, meat, sardines, banana, bread), I might go to the DIY shops, the Appliances Stores, the mobile phones stores, the Sports store and so on.

Of course, when I'm at DIY shops, I look for tools; not girls. If girls are around, I start a conversation. At the appliances stores, I look for appliances; not girls. If a hot girl is in the appliance store, I open her.

With those said, you got burned in your campus sarges and probably both of us are still thinking, where did you fuck up? All I can do is make guesses so you can correct the errors and calibrate your next approaches better.

Not sure if I guessed it right this time (that you probably approached so many girls in a very short span of time in a very limited space or area) but, well, this is me. I never stop trying.

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Well, you make me want to (finally) try again, if a little, so I'll have a reason to say something here, in good conscience. I approached twenty in les than an hour, in a small campus, kept returning to places I just left. I tried touching a girl's hair, according to a cop a couple weeks later, she was not yet eighteen. WIth some girls, it's hard to to tell if they're underage, or not, and noboby's explained navigating this; is it part of qualification? We like youth, naturally but at the same time, there are risks.

Hired guns are automatically overage, yes? Just making sure; I'm not used to sarging them.

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In my geographic area, they're mostly 18-something. Hired guns are good for practice or for warming up. It's best though if they're hot so you get desensitized to hot women.

I think Hooters women are just about the right types and age for sarging.

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Trust it's pretty likely they're overage in Puget Sound, too. Nervous about talking to them as they're hleping others, but I guess a tonn of PUAs have managed so, despite.

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