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PostPosted: Tue Sep 08, 2015 10:30 pm 
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Can we all just get along?! Ha.. but really, I appreciate both of your comments.. What you two are arguing is a matter of style I think..

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She called after about 3 hours. She said she was in class and doing other school stuff which is believable I think. She even apologized for being flaky. I played it down saying how I've been busy as well and that it's not a big deal. So then she suggested we get coffee tomorrow between her classes but I am not going to initiate it though. I can definitely tell the difference this week vs. last week. Last week she suggested hanging out outside of school and this week it's just coffee on campus. Could be that she is really busy or the attraction is gone. Either way, I am not going to read too much into it.
When a girl cancels out (flakes) on your plans together, and she reschedules give her a chance. If it happens again, OR she's unwilling to give you a solid commitment to your date offer simply say "Hey Julie, it sounds as though you've got your hands full, let me know when you can hangout".

This is good for several reasons: you're not asking her "what about this day?" and looking needy, it shows you aren't interested in playing games and that YOU value your time and have no time for others who aren't willing to do the same, you're giving her the benefit of the doubt which she'll likely appreciate if she has any level of interest in you and she'll respect you more because of it. you're not shaming (which is punitive and manipulative) her for re-negging or cancelling on date so you won't be conditioning her to associate bad feelings towards you, its responsive and not reactive - remember never let a woman get you off-center.


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n2thevoid,

You bring us back full circle with your suggestion. If you read my first post, I wrote something similar to what you suggested and I thought it was a good idea. Didn't sound needy and I pretty much would let her know that she would need to invest a bit more effort if she is going to see me again. But according to most who responded on this thread, they didn't think it was a good idea. Rather, they suggested silence. The only issue I have with silence is that it implies complete disinterest whereas writing something like "hey julie, you seem busy. Let me know when you can hangout.", would indicate, as n2thevoid said, the value of your time while still showing some interest.

Today over the phone I told her that she needs to contact me when she is free. So I likely will not have a chance to send that message above unless I initiate dates again.

Anyways, the more I think about it, the more I don't care honestly. Was annoyed by being flaked on multiple times by this chic but I'm over it.


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n2thevoid,

You bring us back full circle with your suggestion. If you read my first post, I wrote something similar to what you suggested and I thought it was a good idea. Didn't sound needy and I pretty much would let her know that she would need to invest a bit more effort if she is going to see me again.

If somebody isn't meeting your need(s) (e.g. your need for connection, intimacy etc), than what do you think is more proactive - silence (with the hopes that somehow u'll telecommunicate that your need isn't being met), or making a need's request by informing the person of your boundary ("Hey I want to get to know you, let me know when you are able to hangout").

But according to most who responded on this thread, they didn't think it was a good idea. Rather, they suggested silence.

Likely because that's an ego-based response, that of which is the M.O. of most of the guys on this board and would also explain to a large extent their poor track records with women.

The only issue I have with silence is that it implies complete disinterest whereas writing something like "hey julie, you seem busy. Let me know when you can hangout.", would indicate, as n2thevoid said, the value of your time while still showing some interest.

One of the things women crave more than anything else is feeling DESIRED. A lot of guys hold back on showing this for fear of either coming-off as needy, like every other guy, and/or revealing their honest intention to her for fear of being rejected. You should never make any apologies for showing your desire for a woman you're attracted to, whether she deserves your attention or not - you feel something and your actions/behaviors reflect that so you're being honest with yourself in conveying desire. With the above response it's not reactive, and it conveys you would like to get to know her (nothing more and nothing less) and YOU assume attraction in making the assumption that she wants to hangout with you and that she's got her plate full at the moment. Fine, no big deal.

Today over the phone I told her that she needs to contact me when she is free. So I likely will not have a chance to send that message above unless I initiate dates again.

I wouldn't tell anyone they "NEED" to do anything as that's an implicit demand and often won't get you the result you want. Pay mind to your language particularly through text where so much can be taken out-of-context as there are no other cues apart from your last interaction for her to go by. Remember you aren't making demands; demands are REACTIVE. You're happy go lucky, you've got other things to fill you day and potentially other women so its not sweat off your back. Be responsive, never reactive and once again be particularly mindful of this when texting.

Anyways, the more I think about it, the more I don't care honestly. Was annoyed by being flaked on multiple times by this chic but I'm over it.


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Thank you all for your responses. Very helpful stuff. Reading your responses I realized that no response was probably best in case she flakes.

So I called her earlier and she didn't pick up.

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You're looking so deep into shit that you are giving me a headache.


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There's some misunderstanding there, rampage. The idea was for me to ask her one more time for a meet up and if she responded with excuses or whatnot then I would do either silence or send a message as I stated in the first post. But either way she called after my missed call today apologizing for being flaky. So I made it sound like it's fine and told her to let me know when she's available.


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If somebody isn't meeting your need(s) (e.g. your need for connection, intimacy etc), than what do you think is more proactive - silence (with the hopes that somehow u'll telecommunicate that your need isn't being met), or making a need's request by informing the person of your boundary ("Hey I want to get to know you, let me know when you are able to hangout").
Informing the person is fine the first time it happens.

The second, consecutive time, when the date has been set by her no less - at her best convenience - and she still flakes? That's what I have a problem with. It's not an ego based response. It's simply not investing any more time where it need not be invested.

Why would you keep "making your needs known" to a person who's interest levels are obviously below the point of caring for them?

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If somebody isn't meeting your need(s) (e.g. your need for connection, intimacy etc), than what do you think is more proactive - silence (with the hopes that somehow u'll telecommunicate that your need isn't being met), or making a need's request by informing the person of your boundary ("Hey I want to get to know you, let me know when you are able to hangout").
Informing the person is fine the first time it happens.

The second, consecutive time, when the date has been set by her no less - at her best convenience - and she still flakes? That's what I have a problem with. It's not an ego based response. It's simply not investing any more time where it need not be invested.

Why would you keep "making your needs known" to a person who's interest levels are obviously below the point of caring for them?
Of course. If it's a pattern than you're asking somebody to meet a need they're unwilling to meet. It'd be absurd to keep trying. Move onto someone more receptive/willing to meet that need.


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Update on this topic...

I know it's been a while but I thought I'd post an update in case others can relate.

Since the last time I posted, things have moved fairly fast.. a little faster than I thought. After initial flaking (which was the reason for my original post), we hung out two nights in a row. The first night she spent the night at my place after I cooked some dinner. She LMR-ed me that night so no sex happened. However, the next day she invited me over to eat dinner at her place (I guess she wanted to return the favor). After dinner and some wine she asked me to spend the night. So, long story short, we had some intense sex.

But then in the morning when I tried to go for round two, she wasn't receptive.

Since that time, we hung out and had sex one more time (again only at night, no round two). So things seem pretty straightforward, but I still have trouble figuring her out. In the past, after having sex with women everything was so smooth and the girls would be chasing me. This girl isn't a chaser seems like. We don't text, call or see each other often. So no neediness from either side. She visits my building once per week for classes and she stops by to say hi at which point I arrange a date/meet-up. The vibe we have while hanging out is fairly good. She tells me all kinds of things that are 'good indicators' like her roommates telling her how I am confident and good looking (no conceitedness here) and how one of her guy friends was being jealous of me. All good things, I think. I guess what bugs me the most is not knowing what she is looking for. Just casual or more than that?

So to sum up, she does seem very busy with school which explains the initial flaking. Now I don't even try to hang out during the week, only on the weekend.

Something slightly off topic, how do you guys feel about complimenting women? Is it an AFC thing to do? I don't do it often, but I did it the other night with this girl. I was pretty confident and sincere when I told her that she was the cutest girl I've seen in a long time in our town (very small place). This was after having sex twice and I really believe what I said, even though opinions are subjective. She tried to deny it saying that there are plenty of cute girls out there and tried to deflect the compliment back to me. Then I played it down by saying that it's just a compliment, take it as is.


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It shouldn't really matter what she's looking for. You keep doing your think, talk to women, develop your life and so on.
She'll bring up exclusivity eventually if she wants it.

Other than that, compliments are only as effective as the person they're coming form. If she considers you a high value guy, a compliment will make her day.
If she considers you below her, a compliment will be perceived as you attempting to kiss up to her.

Think of it like this: If a renowned athlete compliments you on your own athletic performance, you'll feel honored. However, if an absolute beginner compliments you when you both know you're 5 divisions higher than him, the impact will be neutral at best and negative at worst.

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