Maybe it would be easier to understand if you gave detail to your situation.

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Can you elaborate on this...Where did i show some disrespect?
We did once, with Pepper and James, but then there was 6 pages of mental masturbation on the local forum the following day. I would rather forget that night tbh.

There was also that night in the blue bar where you winged me on that group that I opened. I took home a sexy lady that night also. I really don't need the reverse psychology to go picking up girls with you to be honest and it will be obvious that our personalities will clash.

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The dude said he was in college and this girl sits in front of him in the calc class... this is basically a slow burn situation that needs to be done with a lot of calibration. If you're talking slow burn seduction when it's a girl that you see regularly, I've done a few of them, I'm not a complete expert because there will always be a different scenarios that I can learn from, but I have the basics down and can pull situational shit like this off.

For College Classes/Uni Lectures, although I wouldn't actually recommend going to study at these places, it can't be denied that they're a players dream, girls placed around you left right and centre. I never really had a problem in these places because girls IOI me like fuck and it's easy to capitalise on. I'm the type to just kick a girls chair from behind and laugh when she turns around, then pull her hair a little bit later on Whichever reaction she/they give... just work with it... but you have to be strong... especially if they're hot... you then just be cool with them, they're young sexy girls, there's no doubt they're going to want to try stuff... you just need to be that guy.

I hooked up with a few girls throughout uni from my groups and shit. I am glad I am out of these environments and in the real world now, but a lot of the principles are still the same.

If you're talking girls who have refused a number... plenty... but when I look them dead in the eye and tell them I don't give a shit I'm taking it... and don't accept their rejection... they usually change their tone after a while. On the rare occasion that they hold off completely, you have still planted the seed for next time, something could change in her life the next time you see her and you can prod it a little to see what happens. "Ohhh, so you're interested now " and go from there.

OP is not me, he has a lot to work on in his game and I wouldn't recommend what I did because he probably wouldn't be able to calibrate it, especially tugging on hair and stuff, and reversing a rejection, you really have to do that right and it's not easy for guys who don't have a lot of experience being with girls lol.

I was giving him a more normal, less risky way of trying the change the poor dynamic that he has created in this situation. At least to the point that she would be feeling a little interest for the guy (if he did it right).


Dragula -

None of the comments were even aimed at you mate... Forget about that, it was like a year and a half ago and you know I'm cool with you.

It was the fact that CF put "no" to my advice as though it was bollocks, when mine was practical and his was more like "just leave it and sit there throughout all your upcoming classes and stay silent"... Sorry but if there's a hot girl in front of me on the regular I don't sit there and do fuck all...


CF -

I don't even know you dude and I'm cool with you but if you're going to dismiss my advice the next time then atleast give a reason why it's wrong and make sure you've been there before. If you've been in a situation like this before and failed then maybe you could learn a thing or two. If you have and you've had another experience then I'm happy to hear about that because you can learn from everybody's angles.


I'm leaving this thread now... peace.

This isn't really explaining the similar situation that you've experienced. It's more of a general statement of how you pick up women on your first approach and how you deal with a rejection. The situation that you posted yesterday and then deleted provided better detail of a specific situation but again didn't match the OP's situation. It more was an explanation of how you annoyed some girls in class and ended up on a trip with them.

Your theme seems to be act cocky, continue to act cocky even if it annoys them and then plow through their resistance. This would explain why you are good at recovering. OP on the other hand tried normal conversation without being cocky. After he's rejected, persistence isn't going to work because that wasn't the way he presented himself. It's a big difference.

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Same time man.

Fair play, no I haven't been in the exact same position where a girl sat in front of me gave me a name but no number then I knew I was going to bump into her a few days again later. I've been in positions where I've spoken to a girl who's been a little off with me, run into her another time and switched it though. I think the above examples had similar aspects to what OP was asking about though.

Not really... I do have that aspect of my personality and it can come out when I'm hardcore flirting with girls, but lots of pick ups are different and you need to use all of the tools that you have at your disposal to get the girl you want.

I wouldn't really call it plowing, I think that's dangerous and I hate that term, guys who try this but can't calibrate end up getting chucked out of places and shit it's more like we're challenging each other, her initial reaction might be to put up a bit of a front, and I guess she is trying to resist for a while, but sooner or later her eyes start to have a little look in them and there's a slight smile on her face, then it's low seductive voice and sexy eye contact time, or maybe you even have to part ways, but you have planted that seed. I've gone a little of OP's topic here, just trying to explain for you.

OP's situation needs a frame switch from boring guy who tries to speak to her in class and has asked for the number, which is going to get him buried and vaginaless for the rest of his time there. To guy who asked for the number, then called her out on it, then there was something about him, to guy she's thinking she made a misjudgement on, to guy she can't wait to come in the classroom, to guy she doesn't know whys he keeps looking at, to guy she's now attracted too, too guy she's just connected too, too guy she just fucked.

He probably won't pull it off if he isn't good or doesn't have other aspects of his game down, but it can be done.

Anything else or are we done here now lol?

Still a very huge difference. Let me explain. Back in the old days, guys would talk to girls and seem to have relatively good interactions (or at least the guy thought they did) and they would end up asking the girl for their phone number. The girl would write the phone number down on a little piece of paper and the guy would be happy about that. He'd probably wait a specified amount of time in his head and then call the number she gave him. After a few rings, someone would answer the phone and have absolutely no idea who the girl was and tell the guy he had the wrong number. The guy would call back again and get the same person and he'd hang up before asking her again. This happened because the girl had given him the wrong number. She gave him the wrong number because while he thought they were having a pleasant conversation, she had absolutely no interest in him. She made a conscious decision to give him a wrong number and thought it would be easier to do that rather than rejecting him to his face.

The OP's situation was basically the same thing. She made a conscious decision to reject him without telling him. It's different than a girl "playing hard to get" and then still flirting with you a few days later. When a girl rejects you, especially in a shady way as this one did, it's a conscious decision and if you call her out on doing it... her resolve will be stronger.

You don't feed rejection with more attention, but instead you make yourself more desirable and then starve her desire.

But yeah...I suppose we can be done with this.

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LOL!

Not really, it depends how much she respects you... or, to get all deep, how much you respect yourself. Weak little weirdo loser calls her out, she ditches him further and gets a restraining order. Cool sexy guy calls her out... she is shocked and also a little turned on, she realises this guy is not to be ignored, she apologises somehow eventually
Fairly legit point, but this is exactly what I described to do in my initial post.
Yup


Add on: Not that the only way to deal with this would be to call her out. Only with the right girl at the right time should you do this. There are plenty of different approaches to take in these types of scenarios to turn it around and get your girl eventually rather than just walking away.

I don't think there is a need to go deep. You haven't been in a similar situation that a girl has either given you a fake number or pretended to put her number in your phone...some sort of situation where you thought you had a girls number but you really didn't and then called her out for it and you being rewarded with sex. If you did you would have put a rest to any doubt that there may have been about your advice.

Kind of messed up that you say that people are on the forums giving shit advice when your own advice doesn't really fit the problem. You can't say your advice isn't more than daydreaming about how you would have handled it.

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My advice was a mix of numerous past experiences with girls in similar situations.

If you're discrediting that, then you may aswell discredit everybody's advice on this forum. Unless we're all approaching the same girl in exactly the same place at exactly the same time, the situations and problems are always going to be a little different.

And, your advice was also a what you would of done in the moment too. Have you been in a college classroom with a girl who sat behind you one day but then started to sit in front of you, asked for her number, she put just a name in but no number and you were going to see her a few days later and she was probably going to be sat in front of you again?

What made you think you could tell him to just leave it without giving it a go if you haven't been in that EXACT situation either? if you have, was it the same girl? obviously not

In fact... I'm guessing the only similarity that you've experienced is the fake number thing. Here's the thing...

Nowhere in OP's post was there a rejection or a fake number, it was a name with nothing else. You don't know if it was fake, you don't know if it was a rejection, you don't know what her intentions were. You just assume it was a rejection.

It's very likely it was a rejection if OP is an ugly fuck with no calibration, but that information we didn't know yet. It could of also been a number of the reasons I pointed out in my initial post.

That' why I advised for him to just ask her normally... what's the worse that could happen?

I then gave a few ways he could possibly get her interested in him after that based on the possible reactions. Which were legit, even your last post alluded to a similar principle.

There was so much that OP initially did wrong. He went for the number too quickly, he didn't even really get to know her first, he was fretting about it when he made this post and wasn't confident, he didn't check the details straight away, and I'm guessing he doesn't have the other 95% of game down that isn't to do with the approach or taking numbers, it was a lame pick up and this could of been prevented...

The reason I haven't been in this situation is because I'm not shit enough to have gotten into it in the first place. But... girls with-holding numbers but then getting it again at another time, yeah, girls not returning a text, seeing them again and handling it from there, yeah, girls not giving me numbers because their boyfriends are coming to pick them up and they're in serious relationships but bumping into them a few months later and still keeping it alive, yeah.

If I just accepted rejection with all of these scenarios, I never would of followed up on them...

"defeat is just a state of mind, no one is ever defeated until defeat has been accepted as a reality"

OP's scenario just isn't really that tough of a situation, she's sat in front of him two times a week for christs sake You can say I haven't been in the exact one, but if I've been sat behind girls and pulled them before, and tackled many similar situations, I at least have the credentials to offer a few lines of advice.

Let's just put it this way...

- You would of left it, that's fine if you never want to stretch yourself and figure out new things.

- I would of gone for it, I would try something the next time I see her, because from what OP described, it is far from fully over, this would just be the beginning of the seduction in my eyes. If I failed I would analyse and learn from my mistakes for a similar situation again.

It's fine for me that you would of left it. When I made my first comment I was only responding to OP, alls I'm doing now is defending what I had to say... so have you actually tried something like I recommended before?

I'm not ugly as fuck, but you're right about one thing: I lack calibration.
In my POV, I thought I was building rapport. We were talking about a lot of things in our conversation and nothing felt awkward or forced... except maybe when I tried to number-close. But I wasn't hitting on her in any way. it was all just amicable conversation. what could I do differently so as to avoid making the same mistake?
Actually, dude, the first time we met, she came to class late and sat two seats behind me. I didn't talk to her that day, and neither did she talk to me.

since i'm seeing her tomorrow again in class, here's what I'm gonna do:

1) Arrive to class early. if she sits near me again, then I know she may still be interested. Otherwise, she could've easily chosen to sit somewhere else and far away from me. however, if she manages to get to class first, then it'll be problematic bc me consciously choosing to sit by her is telegraphing too much interest.
2) I've already established familiarity with another girl (less attractive) who sits behind me. We can reintroduce ourselves. That way, the girl i'm interested in can hear my name instead of me directly giving it to her. After all, she didn't give me her number, so there was no way to text her my info.
3) I'll call out the name that she gave me on my phone. if she doesn't respond, then I know she gave me a fake name.
4) If ever we're in dialogue, I could suddenly bring up how I "forgot" to text her back bc I was so "busy," then casually point out how she forgot to put her number down. interestingly, when we first met, she said how her cell phone was "dead." i'll see what I can work with this.

I'll let you guys know what happens. And again, if there are any details I've left out, please point them out.

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I'm not going to lie...I've been given fake numbers before. It happens. I have no shame in admitting that. The thing is that I'm smart enough to know that a woman knows how to give someone their phone number. Any woman that has ever felt the need to give me a fake one isn't worth me wasting more time over because it's disrespectful. I definitely wouldn't spend more time on a girl that would disrespect me because I wouldn't reward that kind of behavior.

Secondly, I'm smart enough to understand a concept called consistency which is part of the decision making process. If you would have paid attention in school instead of kicking girls chairs and dropping out, you could have learned about it too. In a nutshell, both men and women are conditioned to stick to their decisions once they are made and there is no changing their mind. If a girl rejects you, she will continue to reject you unless SHE changes her mind. This is the reason that I advised OP not to waste his time.

Let's be real though. In Androids and iPhones, both make you press save after you enter a new contact. If she didn't enter her phone number, it was on purpose. You can't be silly enough to believe that she knew how to add her name and not her phone number before saving. You can't tell me that you are not smart enough to realize that this is a rejection. Please tell me you can see it.

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OP, you're in a classroom setting in a university environment. You've got propinquity working for you. Unfortunately, you are reading the signs of interest all wrong and the girl did NOT comply at all to your compliance test.

Girls who sit behind you or in front of you have neutral interest. You're just a classmate to them. That's all. However, girls who sit beside you to your left or right with no seats in between have some measure of interest. The sign of interest is even stronger if there are too many vacant seats in the classroom and yet the girl still chose to sit beside you. BESIDE you; not behind you or in front of you.

Now, what I do when a girl sits beside me is to throw a series of small compliance tests to check on how high her horniness level for me is.

1. I high five her and when she complies, I hold her hand for a minute or so while eyefucking her.

2. I drop my notes. If she picks it up, I'm good.

3. After class, I isolate her to an instadate.

I seldom number close for the simple reason that girls see me at the university everyday. In fact, it's girls who usually number close me.

Look, why not try another approach instead of number closing university girls left and right?

And as the other posters said, let this ONE go. Respect a woman's boundaries especially when she is NOT interested in you.

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Thanks for the response guys. I have an interesting update:

At 1st, I was initially sceptical of Natural_Dec's advice. But i thought to myself, 'What do you I have to lose, right?'

So I was in class the other day and I told her straight that she gave me the wrong number, at 1st, It seemed like she was a bit stand off-ish due to her facial expression. She expected me to buckle and back down. But instead, I stared into her eye's and expectingly handed her my phone to encourage her to put in her real number.

She text me later on saying:

Her: 'hI nrjose27, sorry about the mix up, I just a bit shy and I don't really give my number out to people, would you like to go for a drink tonight x?'

Long story short, we met up, had a blast and I ended up with the best F-close of my life. Thank you everyone that helped me. I am pretty she could be 'The One' - Especially a big thank you to Natural_Dec for believing in me and holding ground when everyone was disagreeing with you.

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WOAH!!! WHO THE EFF ARE YOU??? YOU IS NOT ME!!!

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