You're viewing it wrong. I have no problems telling girls that I used to be quite crappy with women, cause I was too much of a nice guy. It makes them chase that "nice guy who will buy them flowers every day" and never quite get it. Works well for me. I'm not satisfied with "getting good" ...I'd rather be great.

Doing something wrong if I'm still approaching 3 years in? I'm not 3 years in, but I'll be approaching after 3 years because there's nothing wrong with doing it. I'll admit that my cold approaches are slacking at the moment, though. I'm semi-exclusive with this girl... but if that goes wrong, you can bet I'll be back to approaching. If you don't use it, you lose it.

Yes, 99% of it is shit... but lets say 500 articles get written every day, 100 videos get made... that's 5 articles and a video worth watching. There's also always fashion tips and things like that which go hand in hand with pick up. I do see you around the routine section a lot though, which is the kind of pick up that doesn't really need more than a month of your time, ever - because it doesn't really teach you much more than what to say, rather than how to improve your life. So you're right, as far as routine pick up goes.

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I grew out of the dumb shit I used to say on here. Most of my posts don't represent who I am today at all.

Firstly, if I'm looking for fashion advice I don't need pickup for that nor would I really take a pickup forums fashion advice over a professional or a dedicated fashion website. Same with workout routines. Sure pickup has some good stuff on these things but I'd just rather go to the source.

As to videos and articles.. Man... I can't Wade through the 500 articles videos and books to find 5 good ones. If I was having a problem I'd just go out and meet women tbh and figure it outt.

Here's the thing. The more you have the other shit handled in your life the easier it becomes to meet and sleep with women. Have hobbies you enjoy, have a good social group, be happy with yourself, go out and that's 99 percent of it. No I'm not against cold approach, just in the sense that if you're actively planning to go out to cold approach or sarge 3 years in something is wrong. Your life should be set up in a way that you naturally meet women. Your life should be set up where you're confident in yourself to approach when you choose to. I don't need to meditate every day so I have no approach anxiety at the bar. I go to the bar with some friends have fun and that kills aa.

You want to be a great pickup artist. Great. That's your choice. I rather be the great business man the great friend the great social guy the great educated guy the guy in great shape. Women come with those things man... Most guys just focus on pickup and forget that there are so many women out there. My point about cold approach is that 3 years in you should have to. You shouldn't have to dedicate a night or a day to meet women. If you are living life well you won't have to.

And no I don't really go into routine section.

I didn't give you any reason to think any of the following:

- I'm only trying to be a great pick up artist
- I'm dedicating nights to cold approach (if that's your idea of cold approaching, then something is wrong, I agree...)
- I'm not social (my social life isn't what it was, but I'm far from socially awkward or anything)
- I don't have my shit together

lol.

I also never meant coming here to get fashion tips... I just said they go hand in hand. Following fashion is still trying to become a more attractive version of yourself. So is working out - doesn't matter where you get your routine from.

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I grew out of the dumb shit I used to say on here. Most of my posts don't represent who I am today at all.

A lot of the girls i mess with i send them to my blog and youtube, in my case is a dhv, my problem has been getting to the borderline of "trying to impress", but you should have no problem as a dude trying to self develop... Self development is attractive and a dhv

p.s. sorry for using nerd terms

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Never thought those things about you lol. As to fashion and working out, I disagree. I'd rather take a workout routine from a body building forum. Don't get me wrong, I think PU is a great thing to push you to get the other stuff in your life handled.

With everything, I like to ask "why."Why would I tell a girl about PU? Is it to share something important about myself that I feel she needs to know? Not really, there are many other things that define me more than my ability to get girls. Is it to make her think I can get girls easily? Well, she should know that just from being around me. Is it to make her chase me? Again, she already should. I highly doubt you or someone can give me a good reason that doesnt boil down to getting a reaction from her.

PU is easily misunderstood, and I cant figure out a reason to explain it to a chick. People want to feel like you're being genuine, not the possibility that you've studied how to behave. In my earlier days, sure I told girls. And it got them asking later "wait, that thing that you did on our first date, was that something you learned?" even when it wasnt. It killed the spontaneity of things. We always say women are emotional. So why give them the logic behind their emotions? It's not really worth it imo,

How has caring about if someone thinks less of you been working out? The better experience comes when you don't need them to approve of you. Oddly enough none of this comes at anyone's expense. Consider the idea of rather than a judgement, a view from a different perspective. The man who tells you it's only right for you to do the professional thing and be a doctor, well that's a judgement-about how life is and how you should be. Should be's aren't how things actually are.

Instead think how things might be different if you considered something other perspectives. The new guy may want to stay with the girl who treats him like shit, however if he can see the perspective of someone who has plenty of options, he might think differently.

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I'll happily be part of the minority on this issue.

I hide my pickup activities to a point. I am a fan of self improvement. I'm a proponent of knowing my worth and projecting confidence, being awesome in general and being a good (striving to be excellent) version of myself.

What I struggle with - as of late - is the negative image that pickup has gained in the public eye... And it's why I'm outspoken on this forum when PUA haters or woman-haters blast insults at us all or blame women for their social deficiencies.

Everything from Elliot Rodger to Julien Blanc to some weirdo up here in Canada boasting about legalizing rape if it happens in a marriage or at home or some such bullshit (anything after the word legalize doesn't matter)...

I have a career. I have a life. A girlfriend.

Pickup is a part of my life. I've been practicing for many years. I advertise it to people about the same way I advertise my sexual preferences ---- it's none of their business.

Do my friends know - some do, yes. I know many users on this forum personally. My close friends know I've gotten decent with women, but probably don't think I'm in to this level - because I don't show it off.

So no - I don't delete my history because I just don't care THAT much... But I also don't liberally share the fact I'm into this stuff. That said >> I'm not a coach and do not do this for a living... If I did (like some of the other posters in this thread) I can appreciate why you'd disclose everything.

My reasons for telling girls:

1. Because why not? I'm not ashamed. I'm actually proud that I made the effort to improve. It's not bragging, it's just something about myself.

2. Suppose it can be used in a DHV kinda way, it's whatever...

3. Incase it comes up later... if you hide it, you can look like some crazy Julien/Mystery kinda guy with something to be ashamed of

4. What if things get serious with this girl? Like, really serious? I don't want the fact that I improved my life, to be some huge secret

Also, I never said to get working out advice from this forum... I said the opposite. The point was that you're doing it to improve yourself, to become a more attractive version of yourself. Again, goes hand in hand with pick up.

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I can agree with this. It largely isn't anyone's business, but if they are ask and are interested I have nothing to hide. Which also includes NOT deleting any history. I also observed that after I met back up with my friends when I was somewhat decent, they still didn't want to hear about pick up.

As a side note I had an interesting thing come up with a girl I was seeing this week. She came over and I was reading off the forum. I told her something about the article just to bait her to see if she was interested. Not a trace of interest, didn't ask any questions or anything. lol

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I agree with Charles also. I wont delete my PC history, but then again I wont knowingly leave a forum page up if a girl comes over. And saying you read a forum sometimes, is different from saying you went out and practiced stuff to get laid. If I had to share self improvement with a girl, I'd keep it simple, yeah I was like this in my younger years, then I began working out and meeting people. No need for anything extra. I wont want to kill the mystery of how I am the way that I am for a girl.

And to DW, everything we say here is just our perspective. Here, everyone says things matter of factly, but its all just opinions. When you said people with unstigmatized careers mostly lead unhappy lives, you presented your opinion as an absolute. When you said pu is about being a better man, you presented it as how something should be. In both cases you state how life is, and how things should be. Which is exactly what you said a judgement is. What if I had done like you and said "who are you to say people in careers lead unhappy lives? That's a judgement." Nothing wrong with stating your opinion without prefacing with "this is my opinion." But just be fair. You cant state your opinions as facts, and when someone else does the same, act like it's a judgement.

Of course this can be gathered by my statements and I don't have an argument to that. Everything state here has been an observation. I didn't say people should live unhappy lives, but clearly you see what side of the fence I am on. The important thing for us to do here (judged based on the forum rules and goals) in any of our opinions and life, is to make a clear distinction between our "should bes" and what actually is. The should bes generally lead to the unhappiness and false expectations of the world:

EX: Society generally says a man should have to put a lot of effort into getting sex. Having that point of view leads to a lot of misinformation, waste of time, and struggle generally. However if you can look at the world from a different perspective of how it might actually be, all that can change.

Implied of course is a judgement of what is better for most guys, but again not something I'm going to tell you what's best for your life. Some men do just fine with their perspectives that are placed on them by others.

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Are you really arguing that pickup should be a huge part of someone's life? Or its possible to make it a huge part and something not be wrong there? If so please explain.

You're both overthinking it and making me cringe.

1. It's just a guy trying to improve himself. You wouldn't hide the fact that you're having piano lessons, or learning a new language... would you? If you keep it a secret, then perhaps you're not as "advanced" as you think lol

2. Again, it's just a guy trying to improve himself - it's nothing to brag about and make your whole life revolve around.

If somebody asks... no reason to not tell them. If they don't... why brag?

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Please read what both of us wrote. We have said what you just did as Charles said. This is not what you said earlier that you divulge it to get girls to chase but it's not about that. I'm asking dw how pickup can have a huge part of your life and be a good thing.

Ps, advanced isn't telling a girl PUA terminology to "share something about yourself." Big leap from telling someone you improved yourself in dating to dropping information on tactics. 2 different things lol. But that's fine and your choice. It's just disingenuous to say its not for the reaction.

WRONG

I don't need to worry about whether they think less of me or not... because of the very fact that they DON'T know I've looked at PUA in the first place. I get the point you're making... that you shouldn't look like you need their approval (we're all aware of that basic concept), but within limits. It's not as simple as declaring to the world "I'm a pedophile", and then hoping that if you show everyone that you don't care what they think of you, that this in itself will be enough to make them think you're cool again. No no no, people often already have their own minds made up about certain matters.

However, if I was caught looking at PUA, then yes, at that point in time my only option would be to act like I don't care. Not to mention that where I come from, people don't really live a superficial lifestyle, and PUA would be heavily frowned upon.

I'm not ashamed of it, it's just there's no hassle in keeping this part of my life secret, and no reason to reveal... merely because it can create unnecessary that zeitgeists just won't be able to understand.

Generally speaking, I think PUA kinda takes the fun out of the sport in many ways. It's best to act like it's not a big deal. It's the same with musicians. If you ever hear Elton John talk about his music, you'll never hear him say anything like "oh well the C#minor 7th chord on the + of the 4 beat, leads very nicely into G major 7th, because both those chords correspond with notes of the riff played on top"!!!

BTW: don't try those chords together!!