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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 8:03 pm 
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Why is the average guy doomed? I'll use a story about something unrelated to illustrate my point.

Back in the early days of online poker it was stupid easy to win thousands of dollars. All one needed to know was basic poker stragety. There were so many people online that had no idea what they were doing that if you knew basic stragety you dominated these players.

Fast forward to 2015 and its now extremly hard to win any money on online poker, let alone thousands. What happened?

Poker books, training sites, and even 1 on 1 poker coaching exploded. Seriously, everyone now had the resources to learn how to play poker right. The competition got fierce and now even the worst players online know basic poker stragety. Is it impossible to still win thousands of dollars online? No. Some guys will still be able too. Guys with above average intelligence, self control, and the willingness to always stay on top and keep learning can still become online pros.

How does this relate to picking up and fucking women?

Just a few short years ago I could walk around downtown and see only a handful of men who dressed well, groomed well, had their hair done in a stylish way, and was fit. Now I can walk around downtown and least half of the guys I see fits that description. And its not just looks...

Almost every guy 25 and under has at least herd of the PUA community. Many think its lame and dont study up on it but the basic knowledge has still filtered though and now the average guy has a much better social IQ with women than they did even just a few years ago.

Now men know women want sex, they know its possible to pick them up and seduce them, they know not to put them on a pedistol, etc.

The bar has been set higher now than ever before.

Average guys (and below average) are doomed. Evey attractive girl in the western hemisphere now has a fuck ton of well dressed, physically fit, socially intelligent men all around them. It used to be only the really hot girls had tons of guys like this around them and the average and cute girls would only have a few. Now even just the average girls have tons of guys like this all trying to sleep with them.

The question is, when an attractive woman has a ton of good options already, what sets you apart enough to make her want to sleep with you instead?

Being average doesn't cut it anymore.

You have to do everything you can (within reason) to max out your looks and be sexy as possible.

You have to work on your social IQ and be VERY good at connecting with women and illiciting their emotions.

You have to make sure your lifestyle is above average.

The bar is set higher than ever before. Does this mean that guys wont be able to go out and seduce lots of attractive women? Some still will. The ones who makes themselves above average will always do well.

The guys who are stress about "what do I text her?" or "how an I impress her with my dhv story" is going to get left behind. The guys who take charge of their life and max out everything will have the edge.

And, as sad as it is, some guys will never be able to succeed with lots of attractive women. But hey, you wont know until you try.

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:12 pm 
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Yep. Good post.

I see this as a good thing. So easy to be a little better than average. Just takes some focus and perseverance. Whether it be...Wealth/Health/Sex life.

The other day. I was talking to a girl I met from Tinder who I am kinda seeing. She told me there was some guy messaging her pics of his dick. As a joke, I asked to the pics (no homo) and the guy was fucking ripped like Zyzz and was hung like a donkey.

He was better than me regarding looks but it is an overall balance. I dress well, I was quite charming with text follow up. It surprises me to this day of how many normal guys despite being above average with fundamentals, cock block themselves on the texting: 'Tell me what you wanna do to me..."

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 9:25 pm 
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A couple of things have attributed to this, I think..

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The first is the vast amount of entitlement and respect that modern women seem to have for themselves regarding social status. As somebody once told me, a woman's most valuable asset is her social value. With the inclusion of Facebook/Twitter/Instagram etc. even the most average looking woman can amount thousands of 'followers' just by posting some scantily clad pictures. These 'followers' and their click of a button to like or share a certain pictures/statuses, in turn, account for a incredibly high self-esteem. This self-esteem leads them to a higher respect for themselves and a more frivolous process to selecting a mate that they deem is worthy of their status. I'm not saying any of this is wrong. All I'm saying is women no longer have to earn their value; rather it is all pretty much given to them by how many friends, followers, and clicks they have. Yes, these things do have to be earned, but things in the "internet world" go a lot faster and easier than the actual world.

The second is the state at which overall anxiety and mental health are affecting men. I think that tons of average looking men perceive this reality given to them by the media that the average man is supposed to be fit as hell, drive cool cars, and have sex with lots of beautiful women. When this reality does not just come to fruition like it does so easily in what is presented to them, these guys do one of four things: retreat into the hatred of all women just in pure spite (Red Pill), give up on themselves completely and fall into a deep depression, let their anxiety run their lives, or take their mouth off their mothers tits and live their lives the way they want to with virtually no regard for what people think. The brutal truth is that only a small amount of men do the latter and at least TRY to succeed than men who fall to their anxiety.

The third is the fact that women are almost getting smarter. With this new theme of women being respected more by not only themselves but by others in certain important fields of work, more and more women are now more captured by their careers and their health and have less and less time for other aspects of life that women found important 100 years ago. Men are now trying to keep up with this and are failing miserably. Women who are fit and busy with their careers, for instance, are now looking for their equal and average men are completely cut out of the equation.

To conclude, most, if not all, women in this society are not looking for a "nice guy" anymore. "Nice Guys" are obsolete, being taken over by a more superior male that exceeds well in a successful career, physique, and is free from any mental health disorders in his life. This also transfers over to women wanting healthier offspring. I think the main point is to stop working FOR women by giving women virtual power over you (ie: "Why hasn't she texted me back?!?!?") and instead make women work for YOU. Easier said than done, though...


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 1:07 am 
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Being average doesn't cut it anymore.
It never did.
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You have to do everything you can (within reason) to max out your looks and be sexy as possible.
God no more on how looks matter. They still don't.
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The bar is set higher than ever before.
Maybe a little more information has made the game slightly more challenging with the competition of some guys who have read some stuff. The point of true game is missed here. Talk to these guys who you think are your competition, you will soon learn they have read stuff from a pickup forum, but their actions, the way they carry themselves they don't really have game.

In addition of all this 'new material' on game, society's perception also holds back men in their games. For example, "It's wrong to have several girlfriends", "A man should marry one woman", or such ideas that men should be like other people and live in society norms all hold the man back as well.

The new material really means nothing if you can't apply it in real life.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 1:22 am 
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I honestly don't even feel like there is an "average." It's either you suck or you're the man.


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I honestly don't even feel like there is an "average." It's either you suck or you're the man.
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 3:05 am 
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We act like this is something new. This is how it's always been. Do you see that bell curve up above? There has always been a select few that get the majority of the women. It's nature.

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Wait I thought the consensus was the world is making men more beta... Are you saying men are being made more attractive and masculine today?


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PostPosted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 7:25 am 
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Pretty black and white way of looking at things, wouldn't you say ? Even if plenty don't want to put in the effort to make lifestyle adjustments, they still have the capacity to. Have a little faith.
I'm not sure if you're really disagreeing. A guy that puts in the effort is less likely to suck.

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I honestly don't even feel like there is an "average." It's either you suck or you're the man.
Agreed.
Pretty black and white way of looking at things, wouldn't you say ? Even if plenty don't want to put in the effort to make lifestyle adjustments, they still have the capacity to. Have a little faith.


@ Neo87 -- I think the idea is that more and more people are getting their shit together, not a mutually exclusive idea from society shifting in values.
Here's the thing though... If the average guy is getting in shape and dressing well etc.. Then the average guy is not really getting left behind. Because if you were the average guy you'd be in that boat as well. So it's the below average guys who aren't getting shit handled that are getting left behind. But the below average guy has always been doomed anyway. It's like saying more and more cars are coming with radio to where it's common place. Then saying the average car is gonna be left behind because it doesn't have a radio. Well, no because you just said that the average car would have a satellite radio right. So the bottom tier cars are not gonna have a satellite radio.. But they were bottom tier anyway. If you're not getting in shape and dressing well, you aren't the average guy. You're below average. So nothing is really changing.


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I'll simplify this.

You are in a room with 100 girls and 99 other guys. 10% of the girls are hot, another 30% are cute. The rest are average and below.

Of the 100 men, 2 are male models and dressed well, groomed well, and generally look good. Another 3, including you, are in shape, dressed very stylish, groomed well, and has a stylish haircut. 15 percent of the rest of the men are above average in look but don't stand out much because they are dresses like a boring nice guy. The rest of the guys are average and below.

Both men and women are all single and all looking. People may hook up with whoever they like as long as its consensual and can hook up with as many as you like. How hard do you think it will be to hook up with one of the hot or cute girls?

Now your in a different room where the make up of the women are the same but now there are still 2 male models and 48 other guys who are all in shape, hair done up, dresses stylish, and groomed well. The other 50 look boring as before.

Which room will you find it easier to get laid by a hot girl in? Probably the first. With the second you don't stand out and have to find out what sets you apart.

The point is, girls are going to have more options than ever before... what sets you apart? When you can answer that you will not only be able to score good looking women but you will also have plenty of options.

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Bullshit.

Game is nothing like poker.

There was NO online poker before the early 2000's. Game has existed...forever.

The mass amount of PUA material and easy accessibility has made little, if no impact on game. The majority of males know nothing about PUA. And the majority of people who DO know about PUA never, EVER get remotely good at it.

As per your "analogy" I remember stumbling on a guy who was good with women who knew NOTHING about PUA. Since I was just beginning my PUA journey myself, we were discussing topics/concepts about when he disagreed - He told me that women love sex MORE than men. This was back in 2005, I was just a teenager, and my mind was blown, as I'd always thought that women were hesitant to have sex because they didn't enjoy it as much.


You sir, are simply suffering from self confirmation bias - there have ALWAYS been men who dressed well, you simply weren't LOOKING and therefore didn't notice.

The average man is NOT doomed. The average man WILL get laid, eventually. Based on pure statistics alone, the average man will get a woman to have sex with him, at least 2-3. The only thing is, that these girls themselves will be average as well.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 04, 2015 7:27 pm 
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If game was poker, it would be like counting cards.

Counting cards doesn't really do you much good in poker as you re-use the entire deck every single hand.

Bad analogy lol


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Poker is not a good analogy because it is objective. Attraction is subjective. Aside from avoiding negative knee jerk reactions there is no single male form that is perfect to all women. In poker, aces are high no matter who holds them. And anecdotes are called anecdotes because they are not stats or facts.

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If game was poker, I'd have an ace up each sleeve.

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