I met this woman in the mall, asked out went on a first date, we sat and chat about stuff. We even talked to sex, what she likes and all other stuff, she would hld my hand, won't mind any escalation. But at the end of the she wouldn't kiss me? I mean we had great time and stuff and she initiated we will go out again and we probably will.

How do i proceed and game her? I mean this she's freaking hot and she is very interesting, once I get her talking, she can communicate very well, she is looking for that connection. So how do I proceed? what should i arrange? Something more sexual like dancing(she loves dancing)?

Any help would be appreciated!

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How old are we talking here? Lol

And there is no real difference man to be honest. I find older women to just be a lot more chatty which makes them a bit more easy to interact with. You just have to remember to not fall into the mind frame of thinking her age is going to be of that much relevance.

Your thoughts will influence your emotions, and your emotions will influence your thoughts. She's just another girl.. Think of her like it, you will treat her like it, and she will behave like it.

A woman is only responding to the leadership you have set forth.

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I'm mid-20's, she is mid-30's..

Yeah that's what i've noticed as well, they are more chatty. Any advice? Any particular things?

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use a more mature game rather than how you might flirt with a 21 year old girl. What I mean is, while older women enjoy flirting, if their mentally/emotionally mature, they won't play the same games or want the same push-and-pull that younger women want. what I mean is younger women are usually attracted more tun and drama where older women like to flirt but appreciate men being more direct.

Yeah fair point.

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Women 30-35 is a great range for a younger man such as your self to get invoived with. They are in their sexual prime at that age and are often looking for young meat.

In my experience I have done better with older women by talking about interesting and very intellectual topics. If you are smart you can use this to your advantage more so than a 20-24 year old girl who has less life experience and has thought about life less as well, just generalizations, but proven over and over again as what I've seen.

As far as your post, the issue is not that she is older. That has nothing to do with it. My guess would be that your date plan sucked. Why are you trying to kiss her at the end of the date? Why are you not pulling her and going for sex?

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Actually, gaming older woman between 30-35 is much easier in my opinion. They know they don't have too much time and they appreciate more direct game. It is possible to escalate quickly with less flake ratio.

Just do the same as it is was any other girl.

I find with older girls, they will logically judge you more, for example, I get flaked a lot from older women because:

- I live in the city centre with my room mate and not looking for anything serious = bachelor, not BF material

- Where was I had a house in the suburbs, car, dog, looking for a nice girl...I think I would get less flakes = potential

That's my theory anyway. I'm just speculating for my lack of Cougars lol. But everything on the date always goes well...so that is my conclusion.

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Where were you at when you were trying to make out with her?

Please don't tell me you tried to make out with a grown woman in a food court at the mall.....

Lol ^ agree with last post.... Yeah taking a grown woman to a mall for a date... I guess it's cool If you live suburbia