i dont have her phone number, i only met her last week at the food trucks. I just thought you know, getting a gift under 10 bucks, shows like, sentimental value? something she will think about for second... even after she blew me off. today is aug 19 and i am not going to talk to her via FB, not even liking any of her post. next month i'll see her, sept 19. she knows im going to subiefest, and she knows i know that she will be there. thats why i thought a small gift would be ok. like "hey last min i remembered you might be here, so i got you this" then short talk, and then walk away like see you later. But you might be right about what kind of mess is that. all in all ,Thanks for all your help man. i do apreciate it. i would do the same for you or anyone that needed my help. also i am going to try and game some chicks while im there. Reason im still trying is because she seemed cool via fb after she met me, i didnt respond saying hey nice meeting you, she did 4 hours later. i didnt respond until the next day.... and when i did respond, she Even called me a "dork" for saying something funny. But i told her i liked her days later, and that was the turn off im sure. well you already seen the fb mess and what happened next

ok i did not see a page 1-3 im reading then now. wow calm down my friends. Thank you for your help

First of all, trust me mate, I am your best friend on this forum, though given what I've just read not even a PUA would endorse some of the actions you've suggested...

That post made me cringe frankly, and I'm going to go through why. First of all, why on earth does she deserve a gift? Looks to me you're just trying to buy your way into her good books - that's over compensating and weird. Unless a girl gives me a blow job when I want it, I'm not giving her fuck all for nothing, though for a blow job I'll lick her pussy for her. But I'm digressing. She doesn't deserve fuck all, and besides her teddy from her parents has sentimental value - your gift is just a means of getting her to 'like' you and apologise to her for saying you were attracted to her.

You're not going to talk to her via Facebook nor like any of her posts. Quite honestly I'm pretty certain that girl won't give two shits. Also by the sounds of it, it looks like you're trying to 'game' her on Facebook. You're using PUA tactics to make it look like she's chasing you or whatever - she's not even going to think anything of it. Also her calling you a 'dork' for being funny is not her starting to fancy you.

You telling her that you fancied her was not the turn off in itself, it is the way you likely approached the subject in an apologetic, beat around the bush kind of manner. Message me and I'll see if I can point you in the right direction, but forget about PUA - it'll hinder you with girls frankly, and there is a much simpler way. I'm not telling you shit as a tactic, its what I'd do. You seem like a nice guy - give up 'game' as its a load of bullshit.

LMAO

Mike. You do know the reason I've been tooling you is I just think you don't get involved in the threads and just assume everybody here are evil PUA's using routines and tactics.

What you will see evidently, is that the experienced guys are also telling the noobs to stop with the gamey shite and actually normalise themselves.

Ignore the forum banners, that's just to make the owner some passive income I guess. The ethos around here (from the good guys) is to chill out with the gamey crap. Which I agree, PUA crap does more harm than good.

The reason I've been tooling you is because you label everybody here as PUA robots. On the contrary. Perhaps read some of the experienced guys posts from such as, most of the mods, Eddie F, jack zero, RC, that are getting frustrated at the ridiculously amount of oneitus threads from guys looking for the perfect line/routine that will make the girl dump her husband for them.

Let me clarify. I'm also party of the direct band wagon. Perhaps not on the same level as asking for a fuck as an opener because I tend to be a little more calibrated than that. This is where we clash I guess...

What I will say is...PUA has evolved. Mystery and routines and all that are obsolete these days...however, I think it's still better than being the ordinary average shmoe who gets married with the 1st girl he comes across. PUA is way better than being ordinary. A normal attractive guy is better than being a PUA. Perhaps we can agree on that...

I know you used to be involved with PUA hate, I am happy that being direct was the final missing piece of the puzzle for you. But your vigilant tangents around here is misconstrued because you're labelling every person here an indirect PUA robot which isn't true.

_________________
USER HAS BEEN BANNED FOR REPEATEDLY IGNORING MOD WARNINGS AND MULTIPLE RULE VIOLATIONS

I believe PUA has evolved beyond its origins, but ultimately its foundations remain the same. Even the experienced guys I am likely to still disagree with them. It may not be Mystery Method now or whatever it is - ultimately those foundations of trying to manipulate women into being interested in you. The continuation of the use of words such as 'oneitus' shows that PUA has not moved on beyond its idiotic terminology, where the usage is robotic. Normal people call it infatuation, call it infatuation.

I didn't hop onto 'Direct' because it was a bandwagon, I followed direct teaching because it made a hell of a lot more sense. Also to clarify, I don't 'ask' for a fuck, I tell a girl I want to fuck her. Being direct like that is not un-calibrated, just honest.

No I don't agree with that - I think PUA is worse than being a normal guy. A normal guy doesn't intentionally use women using mapped out techniques in order to get into their pants, they're still manipulative even if they don't know it. However I'd prefer men to carry on either way as it leaves more women for me and others like me. And when you get into relationship, what then!? You cannot use your PUA bag them as its all focused on the approach, so living in a relationship in honesty from a night to 50 years in much better.

I was never involved with PUAHate, but I was aware of the content. You are indirect PUA robots as no matter whether you follow Mystery or RSD or whatever, you are still following a path which is about dishonest tactics. Direct to you is another item in your bag of PUA tricks, and it is not to be reduced to that - it is a lifestyle. You're opposing it still advocating a form of 'game'.

All hail Mike

_________________
USER HAS BEEN BANNED FOR REPEATEDLY IGNORING MOD WARNINGS AND MULTIPLE RULE VIOLATIONS

Thanks for your response. I think i might just move on. Dont know what else to do. Some keep telling about this 2 strike rule that i should follow. Right now i feel this was a strike 1 rejction. Giving a gift your prob right... what do you think of this: if you read my original post, she said she doesnt have time ASIDE from the food trucks that she goes every tues and the weekends. Now, as far as "game" goes your right. i F up at some point. do you think i should try the 2 strike rule? after about 2 weeks from now, i might say something like this on FB "Hi B, havent heard from you in a while. Is it because i drive an Evo not an STi? thought we were friends =p lets hit up the trucks again one of these tuesdays. Being half asian, curious to try Kogi. Was gonna go by myself after work, fig i'd ask since you go anyways. You down?". Mike what do you think of that? if she gives me another lame excuse as a strike 2, i say F it. Thanks for your help man. This whole PUA stuff aside from what people say, i just want raw opinions on how to pick up and not whos right on what "method" to follow. Also i said i would not contact her... but what do you think if this rule? and if what i said wasnt good, any PUA tactics i can use and say? you have any good lines to say on how to get her to respond better? like "trap" the situation going by her first rejection response? Thanks mike

Read the private message I sent you. You sent that last post to my inbox, possibly by accident but I replied to you there.

Yo Mike I actually changed ALOT of my game to being more Direct. I don't wanna brag but i'm good looking and have always had girls compliment me on that.. so in saying that I've always played the hard to get card and was never really direct. I had OK results but nothing of PIMP status.

Last 4 days of going out in the field literally the first thing I would say to girls is "I'm attracted to you" and the responses were wayyyy better and I felt I had to work less because they knew I wanted to fuck them and then I can make them work for it or escalate straight away.

I actually had like a 15 second escalation kiss. This is how it went down

me: "I'm really attracted to you"

Her: "I'm attracted to you to something something something (I don't know what she said)"

Me" I have no idea what you said all I can do is look at your lips and think about kissing you"

*Grab the back of her head, pull her hair slightly and kiss her*

*Leave her and walk to the bar to get a water and hit other girls up*

_________________
Bite of more then you can chew
Then chew like hell

My Journey:viewtopic.php?f=22&t=192265

will write a full post in my journal thread i've got

_________________
Bite of more then you can chew
Then chew like hell

My Journey:viewtopic.php?f=22&t=192265

Magic Mike has been banned.

He will be missed.

_________________
USER HAS BEEN BANNED FOR REPEATEDLY IGNORING MOD WARNINGS AND MULTIPLE RULE VIOLATIONS

P.s.

"You're attractive" = indirect and manipulative according to Mike.

"I want to sleep with you" = direct

_________________
USER HAS BEEN BANNED FOR REPEATEDLY IGNORING MOD WARNINGS AND MULTIPLE RULE VIOLATIONS

That's a shame man. He may not have had the best advice or game or whatever, but there are always things you can learn from anyone including him.

Why did he get banned?

_________________
Bite of more then you can chew
Then chew like hell

My Journey:viewtopic.php?f=22&t=192265