I dont know what the history is with you guys on here, but all I know is your thread is entitled "MY Views" so however you feel is how you feel. Can you elaborate on how sex with a woman helps you know her better? And if anyone disagrees, please elaborate on how the OP's views are wrong.

Part of me wishes the OP answers this question because he is right to an extent, but I don't believe he understands how or why he's correct.

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There isn't much wrong with this approach honestly. Much better than what we normally get here. Not sure why OP is getting shot down but I haven't been on in a while...

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This is the weird "I learned from Mehow and Julien only, because nobody else knows what they're talking about" kind of pick up.

I know my Mom better than any other female on the planet. I've never had sex with her, weirdly enough.

While the aim IS to go for quick sex, and it DOES enable you to take her off her pedestal and get back to thinking straight and treating her like a normal human being so that you can get to know her properly... the sex itself doesn't affect how well you know somebody, obviously. If I'm factually proven wrong then I will admit it - I'm always open to learning. I don't think I'm wrong though. I think this is one of those "the women were actually right, you just need to listen and you don't know how to" situations.

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In my opinion that girls change a little once you get sexy time

For example, I've had some couch surfers that are really polite and will clean up my apartment etc.

But...Have sex with them. They become little princess' all of a sudden and can change completely once the 'polite bravado" is gone then you get to know the real them.

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Interesting... you make some good points. But I'd still rather just listen in the right way and go for the "he just gets me" stuff. Obviously, I am also trying to have sex with girls as fast as I can.

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A common problem I see, especially on this forum is a lot of guys into relationships with girls before they even get intimate. (Or not enough to)

Once thy finally sleep with them. They get to see the real girl raw. Once you been initimate you will find lots of reds and orange and green flags.

This is why I would never get into a LTR with a girl that I haven't been having sex with for some time. My ex gf was my fuck buddy for a few months. Would you get you into a LTR with a girl you only fucked just the once Jdaniel??

That's just me though.

There has been a few cases where after a same night lay, they just treat you like dirt and don't even contact you. Girls don't need to feel comfortable or even like you to sleep with you....you just need to be sex worthy.

Humans are complex creatures. Lots of variants of personalities...I guess that's what makes it all fun...

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The old me, was known for relationships that I'd get into and out of before having sex with a girl. But the post 2012 me... no way. If a girl is close enough to me to be a relationship possibility, then the chances are we've had sex at least once. I can't deny the importance of sex, but I do think it's risky to view sex as the ultimate way to get to know a girl. Sex is a good way to get her to let her guard down and show what she can be like, and how easy she is/good you are (which are both important to me) ...but I wouldn't say it's the best way to get to know a girl.

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Feel free to tell me how to get to know a girl without having sex and without getting to know her for months and and months. It is soooo...danger friend zone-y

I hope noobs reading your post won't use this as an excuse not to make a move.

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Just incase that does happen, I just want to make it clear: You should be making a move fairly quickly.

I go for sex on the first night, as I think most guys do as long as they're not too invested in the girl and scared to mess it up.

But I think it's impossible to REALLY know a girl just because you spent a night banging her a few times. It'll tell you a lot of things that otherwise you wouldn't know, but I wouldn't say it's anywhere near good enough to be classed as knowing who she is. I think once a guy learns to use his ears as much as his eyes... he starts to get to know women a lot more. Which, funnily enough, usually gets the bang anyway... IF done right. Another good way that I get to know a woman is to look at her relationship with her parents, look at their parents relationship with eachother, look at how the family treat eachother.

Again, though, the most important words in this comment are "You should be making a move fairly quickly" - strike while it's hot.

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Wrong. It 1st gives you the opportunity to get to know her more and more, usually at least ie. she will stay around longer and then Pebble hit on some good points:
Always. It's all too common. Why in the hell would you date her if you haven't even seen how good the sex is?

Sex first also gives you the flexibility of making the relationship more of what you want it to be. After sex, you can always get to know her better, she is more invested and will stay. Before I like to say it all doesn't count.

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Yes, Pebble did make some good points. However, you're just guessing. A broken clock is right twice a day (I'm not saying you're right, I'm just saying that somebody else managed to point out some valid points about what you said)

Having sex with a girl is in no way the best way to get to know her.

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I think pebble did a pretty good job in his last post elaborating this point, but I will make it concise and to the point.

Sex will allow you to get to the know the girl better because:
1. The investment is higher, she will think "This is real." Thus allowing her to drop her guard more and open up to who she really is.
2. A women feels incredibly vulnerable through sex. Take her through that experience many times and she will trust you and have a comfort of incredible quality with you.
3. The investment that I referenced earlier will likely stay higher than if you continuously hung out and not had sex. This will give you a better chance at keeping her around and getting to know her more.
4. Pillow talk after sex is an incredible way to get to know a women. Far better than being in the friend zone for months and talking about stupid shit.
5. Through sex and experiencing that together, the two of you have shared one of the things that bring men and women closer together. Everytime I have hooked up with a girl, I have felt connected to her. Even if it was a one night thing or whatever, sex does bring people closer together.

Through sex, I also get a vibe and energy with women. Something that you can't really get the full experience of getting to know someone in other ways imo.

Let me know how you would dispute these or how you better to get to know a women. There isn't one other than sex.

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You've clearly mastered it already. You've achieved MPUA status and there's no need for me to add anything else. I mean why would you waste time ACTUALLY getting to know a woman, when the quickest way is "to fuck her multiple times" (lets assume she's your only option and you're fucking her every night....) that's still gonna take you like a week. Yea, that's quicker than actually spending a day with her and talking to her. Each to their own... I just prefer (if I want to actually get to know a girl) to get her to open up emotionally through conversation... nothing to do with the friendzone. If I'm getting to know a girl, chances are I'm fucking her.

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OP is not thinking clearly about this. It's not the sex itself that convinces her to open up to you, it's your game and demeanor impacting her comfort levels, a benefit of which is getting to have sex with her as well as seeing her open up.

I've had plenty of fuckbuddies that I didn't really know a god damn thing about, and who didn't know shit about me either. It stayed that way too. Fucking them a bunch over the course of several months didn't change anything. Same thing with fucking a married woman on the side.

If you want to get to know a woman you simply game her. You build attraction first, then comfort. A relationship is no different, it's just spaced out more; moments that build attraction followed by moments that build comfort. As the relationship evolves you have more comfort moments and less attraction moments, which is normal and healthy. When relationships fall apart, it's generally because the man becomes all comfort and no attraction. He loses those alpha qualities that won the woman in the first place. That's why I always tell guys to keep a few selfish alpha "zero fucks given" qualities to flex every now and then. It reminds the girl why she chose you over the countless other guys texting her.

Don't get me wrong, sex is one of the single most important things to get a woman interested in you. If you fuck a woman better than she's ever been fucked before, you generally skyrocket to the top of the pecking order. But that's not what is convincing her to open up to you or fall in love with you. That's not how you get to know her better. Otherwise female pornstars would all be hopelessly in love with the best male pornstar. Doesn't work like that. Every one of those women would rather be with a charismatic guy like Chris Pratt than some lesser persona who happens to be hung like a horse and great in bed.

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