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What do you think? Am I ugly?

Certainly, I'm not THAT ugly.

Your look is okay. It's the vibe you need to fix.

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Really? Explain.

I actually don't doubt that number. But keep in mind, he'd been going out every night(300+ per year) for something like 6 years at that point. Out of 1800 nights and Mystery saying he approaches no less than 10 women per night, that's what, 122 lays out of 18,000 approaches? That's 1 in 150.

Then, on the flip side, take a look at this random dude. He's been with about 30 women so far, this year alone, on less than 300 approaches. Or about 1 in 10. So he's having 15x the kill rate of Mystery, in 1/3 the amount of time. And he did this as some random guy you've never heard of, who just started working out and talking to a few girls.
Mystery gets in his own way, so much, it's insane. He'll walk up to a girl, she'll think he's attractive right from the start. And then he'll start talking about long winded shit and though she's mildly interested in what he's saying, she starts getting tired of the interaction. Sometimes, the girl leaves, and then comes back to see if he's going to be normal and he starts being weird again, so she just gives up and leaves.

Mystery's 122 count, could probably be 5-10x that, if he would stop with all the showmanship and just go sexual early. He fucks around for so long, the girls who are into him just get bored and move on.

Btw, Neo, if you happen to be reading this, this is why I was saying I couldn't see how routines can work. Every guy I've ever met who runs routines, does them like Mystery is doing them. I get that you've mastered it and know some other guys who have, but the people who mainstreamed the concept suck at delivering them.

You're in your head too much. You're too cerebral and can't get out of that mode. You need to learn how to do things without thinking. First step is to stop thinking so much in English. And then stop thinking entirely.
And how well is that working for you getting women, versus my unemployed friend who literally uses him homelessness to leech housing, food and personal care from completely strange(pretty) women?
Now I know you're looking for high lay counts, and he probably only sleeps with a half dozen women per year. But he does it while they literally provide everything for him. He's had several women go almost crazy over his refusal to marry them.

You seem to think women are into things they just aren't. Power is somewhat attractive to women. But it's more of a bonus to a man they already find physically attractive. Same with "sense of humor" and "intelligence" and "a good dancer", etc, etc. If she thinks you're cute, these things help. If she doesn't, you can have every useful trait under the sun and it won't help you at all.

From what I've seen, extreme levels of wealth are maybe worth 2 points. That's it. And it takes a long time to make that kind of money. You don't become a billionaire over night. I'd focus on the stuff you can fix quickly.

You don't need money to be successful with women. I begin to suspect that you keep clinging to this idea because you want it to motivate you on a business front. You want the promise of women if you succeed in business, so you will have more drive to keep at it.

These two things are almost separate from one another. Most rich guys suck with women and do not have women significantly more attractive than they are. And most guys who get laid a lot are not rich. That doesn't seem to slow them down very much.

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I see what you're saying and I have met guys like this. But Mystery was never about the sex if I remember right. I know guys who what they really enjoy, is NOT the sex with a ton of women, but the accomplishment of getting a girl attracted to them, running a group, and using the routines successfully themselves. I remember in GA, I was talking to a dude and he told me that when he was direct, he had slept with a woman easily a couple weeks before. And he felt nothing much afterwards. He was new to gaming. Then he told me that he had slept with or maybe had gotten a girl crazy about him or something, who was less attractive than the girl he had slept easily with. He told me that the second pickup, the less attractive girl that he had to do a whole bunch of tactics for, felt better than the first one, just because it felt like an accomplishment. I think some guys enjoy different parts of the process. Some like the sex, some enjoy using the tactics and the "work." Is either way better? I dunno, to me its do what you enjoy. If a man has sex with 1000 women and he feels good, fine. If a man starts a business that he wanted to and he feels good, fine. If a guy attracts 1000 women and he feels good, fine. I dont like the process over sex, but that's me. Mystery and some men are chasing that accomplishment and get pleasure from it. Some men chase the accomplishment of laying a girl.

You told me to stop thinking. If you knew me, you might think this is an impossible task. On a daily basis, I do things like this.... here is a formula I wrote to determine the maximum amount of building I can buy based on certain loan terms....

=ROUNDDOWN((I4-((((H$2/12)*(1+(H$2/12))^(H$1)))/(((1+(H$2/12))^(H$1))-1))*(I$2))/((I$1)*((((G$2/12)*(1+(G$2/12))^G$1))/(((1+(G$2/12))^G$1)-1))+((((H$2/12)*(1+(H$2/12))^(H$1)))/(((1+(H$2/12))^(H$1))-1))*(1-(I$1))),2)

I remember thinking at a bar the other day... should I just pretend to be dumb? Would that work? One of the bartenders at a bar down town (who was hot) was talking to this guy saying "oh I remember you, I think I just picked up your shirt off my floor," presumably she had sex with him the night before and didn't even really know his name. Then, the guy started talking about his ring that he wore on his middle finger. It had a picture of a bull on it. She's like "does it signify anything?" I really didn't hear what he said. I'm pretty sure it signifies that he's an idiot and so is she, but what do I know?

What does your homeless, unemployed friend have that I don't? Is it looks or something else? And I doubt that EVERY girl finds him attractive, so it must be something else.

Whether or not building a billion dollar business will help me immensely, it is still something I want to do. I'm not going to stop just because some homeless guys get laid. You only live once so I might as well.

What kind of stuff can I fix quickly? Other than wardrobe and joining a gym?

Obviously she has to find me physically attractive, so I would just be maximizing the rest of it. There is nothing I can do about whether someone finds me physically attractive other than maximize my looks and if that still doesn't impress someone, then I'm just not their physical type. Not every girl is my physical type, so I shouldn't expect to be everyone else's.

True that most people who get laid a lot are not super rich, but actually only a very small percentage of people are super rich, so that is to be expected.

Thoughts? Comments?

My title was not meant to be inflammatory. It was an honest question. I can probably tell you their "credentials" are way better than mine. I'm wondering what I should set my sites on. Maybe I could be there in a year or even two.

Yes, I have read The Mystery Method. It is genius. He has spoken at MIT on human psychology or something related. "social dynamic homeostasis," etc etc... I never said ANYTHING bad about Mystery. I have seen videos of him in the field, he thinks so damn fast, I don't even know how he does it. But also, if you look in his eyes, it's like he is missing something that only the adoration of a woman can fill. Have you noticed that? There's like an empty hole in him or something that leads him to act the way he does. That being said, maybe I wish I had that hole. I fill mine with dreams of owning hotels.

Was wondering what that musty stench was. At first I thought maybe something left behind on my upper lip, but alas I'm mistaken. It's the smell of mental masterbation permeating from this thread.

Narcissistic Personality Disorder

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Narcissis ... y_disorder

treating people as equals is scary and unnerving to me..... it bursts my bubble in so many ways that I just want to cry and go home.... Lol.....

No thanks. I'm full already.

First things first.

1. Women feel in the moment. To most women, forward looking statements are either promises to be broken or just plain bragging. When interacting with a woman, you have to be in the moment. You DON'T talk of what you plan to do or have 6 months or 6 years from now. You have fun with the girl NOW. If the vibe is right and the timing is right, then you take her to your place so you can fuck her.

You flood her senses with emotion-filled actions. You don't flood her ears with the management, marketing, technical, operational, environmental and business model viabilities of your planned acquisition of a hotel.

As a rule, 80% action versus 20% talk is good. And your talk should be focused on emotion-filled fun things.

Talk with women that's peppered with numbers and facts is NO GOOD.

Your vibe should be: "I'm here to have fun. No business talk bullshit for now."

2. A spreadsheet formula representing constants in certain cells is NOT the height of mathematical ingenuity. It's nice to feel superior over everyone else BUT you need more exposure to put your feet on the ground that you're NOT as special as you think you are.

Your vibe should be: "I'm smarter and better than most guys BUT I certainly don't have a monopoly of smart and better ideas. A janitor is probably smarter and better than I am when it comes to mopping the hallway."

3. Your mindset of broadcasting to women that you'll be having x something at a future date y when you interact with them is NOT attractive to women.

Your vibe with women should be shown in your nonverbal communication that: "You'll be begging more of my time and cock once you have tried getting pounded fast and hard at your cervix."

Amen. Praise be to God. Hallelujah!

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How do I make women feel emotional in the present? I don't have any clue how to do this. How do you do it? All I know what to talk is, like you said, comes across as bragging or talking about "boring" stuff like building a monopoly of hotels. I have no idea how to form any sort of emotional response.

Also, as far as pounding their cervix.... I don't think I'm as good as I used to be. More like.... two minutes of some sex that you could have gotten better somewhere else. Unless I take some Canadian Viagra, then we'll be good.

At least I have a nice suit on, though....

Here are the criteria for Narcissistic Personality Disorder. You can probably find every single one of my faulty thought patterns in there. For example, what you said about writing that formula is seen in #1 and you can see #2 all over the place. I spend my days thinking about building an empire of hotels as big as the Hilton's. And even if I had that empire, I probably still would not get laid or have a girlfriend at this point. I really hope I am not a lost cause. I always feel like I look good now, but I don't know what to do with it next.

A pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), need for admiration, and lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by five (or more) of the following:

(1) has a grandiose sense of self-importance (e.g., exaggerates achievements and talents, expects to be recognized as superior without commensurate achievements)
(2) is preoccupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love
(3) believes that he or she is "special" and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people (or institutions)
(4) requires excessive admiration
(5) has a sense of entitlement, i.e., unreasonable expectations of especially favorable SPAM or automatic compliance with his or her expectations
(6) is interpersonally exploitative, i.e., takes advantage of others to achieve his or her own ends
(7) lacks empathy: is unwilling to recognize or identify with the feelings and needs of others
(8) is often envious of others or believes that others are envious of him or her
(9) shows arrogant, haughty behaviors or attitudes

Here is an excerpt from the Mystery Method....

"...engaging a woman on an emotional level, even if it involves "bad" emotions such as frustration or jealousy, is preferable to not engaging her at all.

Instead of only trying to give her "good" emotions while avoiding "bad" ones, stimulate her with a range of feelings including curiosity, fascination, connection, indignation, validation, laughter, embarrassment, happiness, sadness, and fear of value loss..."

As a beginner, what kinds of emotional responses should I be trying to get out of women?

Honestly, what can I do that the last 1000 guys didn't do?

Yell at her? Lol. I really don't know what to do here. All I do now is stay silent, wear a suit and drink water.

Nice to see my name among such great pick up artists. I'm not the type to talk about my number - you never know who could find my posts on here. Also numbers are more indicative of standards than ability, in my opinion. Take a guy you mentioned, Eddie Fews for example, imagine he was gaming 3's, 6 nights a week? He'd get laid 6 nights a week. That's what 312 a year? 3120 in 10 years. Does that make him better than a guy whose banged 150 but they're all 10's?

What I will say is, the average person has something like 8 lovers in their life - I'd bet that everybody you mentioned is considerably past that point lol.

As for what I do for a living... at the moment I'm doing matched betting, and I'm an accountancy student. I don't make much money (About £150-200 a week so far, which is about $250-$300)

Also you're not bad looking. From what I've seen, your biggest flaws are your inner game, and this vibe that I get that you're resentful towards women. I've been known to have a touch of the second one.

I also want to add that Mystery has kind of become the laughing stock of the PUA community. He is a little mental, but he has some fucking amazing points and you could learn a lot. It's Style that should get laughed at to be honest. I'm more Adam Lyons, though.

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You already made a thread on this before. Eddie and a bunch of other guys gave you VERY good advices on how to do it. You're NOT listening though AND you're NOT taking action
Listen. Write your plans on Basecamp, Asana, Trello or maybe even Wunderlist. Write Marketing Plans, Business Plans, Feasibility Studies and so on and so forth about your forward looking ideas. Record also what you like to talk about on your phone everyday and listen to those EVERY day.

If your waking hours is something like 16 hours, devote 13 hours to your forward looking statements. Now, you should devote your remaining 3 hours in a day to learning how to seduce and seducing women. Make those three hours count and don't let any of your forward looking statements encroach on your seduction time.

You can talk to women all you like about your forward looking statements AFTER you have fucked them. NOT before. If they don't want to listen, then it's their loss not yours. Boot them out of the bedroom so they'll no longer get to experience the good graces of your cock if they don't want to listen to your long winded litany of plans. It's AFTER not before. Get that?
Now, this is a bad mindset to have which shows right away in your vibe.

Take action to fix this weak point in your life so you'll have more natural confidence. Eddie gave very good advices on how to boost up your testosterone naturally in one thread. Find it and DO what you have to do.

Try to find some of my old threads too on how to desensitize your penis so you'll last longer in bed, how to develop your cardio so you can do some fast pussy pounding without running out of gas, and how to make use of a rhythmic music playlist to objectively measure time while you're banging girls and to guide you on how to escalate your humping rhythm from slow, moderate, fast, super fast and extra super fast.

Take ACTION. Stop making threads like these for awhile and DO what you gotta do.

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