Hi,

The name is Mikhail and im new here .

Anyway i'm currently reading the Book "the game." And I think all great PUA's have neglected a verry important factor in "The score count."

Normally this is based on how many girls youve had sex with right?

So lets see we have other counts aswel. Like # close and Kiss close.

So if you ask a PUA whats yoru score and you get the full list it would be something like:

# close - 420
K close - 179
F close - 89

Now what about when you take a girls virginity? This i gues is placed in the F close but doesn't it deserve its own count?

I mean there must be PUA's who just go for the virgins, and it is not like a normal F close, and plus it can tell you alot about a PUA!

So give me some feedback guys I could be wrong ofcourse dunno how a real PUA would look at it, since I am new to the game.

Kind regards,


Mikhail

Ahh the magnificent V Close.

This has not been neglected Mikhail, it does exist and it is merely elusive and very rarely enters an AFC's mind before he enters into the world of the game. Once part of the community however it is a highly prized score.

To ask someone's score in my opinion is only asking for justification that your score is supirior to theirs. Anyone can mention a few numbers. Ask to watch that very same PUA in action in the field and this will give you much more of a insight into their game and their true "score".

I would doubt that most PUAs even keep score after a while. After all statistics are not near as important as the actual skills gained during the whole experience. As for going exclusively for virgins, I myself would not want to game someone so vulnerable to clinginess, especially if they are just a notch on the belt. Not only that, but they are unexperienced in sexual relations and would be fairly boring in comparison to a freaky girl (if ya know what I mean). I can see the challenge involved with a V-close though, saying how stereotypically important it is to a girl (espercially one past highschool) it is to save themselves for someone truly close to their heart. Thats where my conscience would contradict my intentions.

See the problem you have then is even coming up with an estimate for k-closes or #-closes... myself the best I could do is estimate a range based on an average weekly amount multipled by total time...

As for the V close... it's one of those things that most guys haven't done, and therefore gets this mythical reputation. As someone who's done it enough times to make not sleeping with a virgin my new years resolution in 2006 (didn't make it) and 2007 (Actually made it!), I must say it's way overrated...

And the difficulty factor is also very overestimated... if it harder sure, that hard? Not at all... Before I ever became very involved in the community I had closing virgins down to a science... it didn't matter how religious, or prude, or set on abstenance till marriage... Close on Day 3... I'd usually space it to take 1 weeks time... it's just not that hard.

But then again on this whole score keeping subject I'm not a big fan... I mean if a guy sleeps with 10, 10's I think that says more then a guy who's slept with 100 5's.

I agree with the Dr. on the V-close. It's definitely overrated and unless you see the girl as a potential LTR, I would go so far as to say as you probably shouldn't go for it at all. First of all, the first few times are usually awkward for you and painful for her. If you're in it just for the sex then it's definitely the wrong tree to be barking up, because the sex itself sucks. Second, I am a strong supporter of the "leave them better than you found them" rule and messing around with a virgin with no intention of continuing the relationship is a good way to really screw someone up. I work at a strip club and almost every girl there has a story about how their first "love" (aka the first guy that got in their pants) screwed them over in some way. Women have a lot more to lose than men by having sex with them and they are always going to remember their first time. Don't be the guy that drives them into clear 10" heels.