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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:22 am 
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Hello! I'm a 32 year old guy who hasn't been in the "game" for about 16 years. I recently started online dating and succeeded in getting my first date. Everything seemed good. We used the online service messenger for a day or two until she gave me her phone number. We switched over to texting; and the Friday before our first date, we had a nearly two hour phone conversation. As you can Imagine, I was thrilled.

So, Saturday comes and I am eager to meet her at a family restaurant for dinner. I get there and she is waiting for me in the lobby. Obviously, I am nervous, but I push through it and go inside. I approach and she sees me. I asked if she was "Jane" (not real name). She said yes and I introduced myself. We then get seated and she begins asking me a ton of questions. I am horrible at conversation. My brain doesn't keep up too well and I have speech impediments (stuttering, stammering, unable to pronounce certain words) that can get bad when I am nervous. Anyways, I tried my best to maintain the conversion and maintain eye contact. We order our meal and she continues to ask questions all the way through dinner. With this being my first date in 16 years combined with inexperience in dating, my end of the conversion was failing. I couldn't think of enough to ask her.

After we finished dinner, we both drove to a nearby mini-golf course. I had asked her if I could pick her up, but she refused since we hadn't met before in person. We get to the mini-golf and I really start opening up more. I was having fun and she seemed to be as well. We played through both courses and were done with day. It was hot and really humid that day. Before we parted, I asked her if she wanted to see me again and she said yes (again, excited!). We said our goodbye's and went home.

Over the course of the next week, we spent a lot of time texting. I had told her after Tuesday, I was going to call her on my dinner breaks at work since our work schedules were different (she works day shift and I work night shift). She was fine with that. Well, Wednesday comes and she texts me saying she is going to her sister's place to help her move. So, no phone convo that evening. I was bummed. When Thursday came, she calls me early in my shift, which I was unable to answer, and leaves a voicemail. I text her saying I couldn't talk then. I finally get a chance to listen to her v-mail and she was turning down another phone convo. This time w/o a reason. I texted her a few times through the evening and never got a response. Friday comes, no work for me, and I finally get a text from. Still no reason for the previous night; however, she says she'll be available to talk later that night and she will call me. Ok, third time's the charm.

So, 8pm rolls around and she finally calls. She starts off being apologetic about the last few days. I was concerned, but that went away once she called. Anyways, we spent about 45 minutes on the phone with her ending it. She ended it by saying that she wanted to have something to talk about on our date the next day. I was fine with that. Our phone convo had gone similarly to our conversion during dinner the weekend before. She was talking about all sorts of things, but for the life of I could not get my brain to work. I literally felt brain dead. Her she was, asking me all sorts of things, and I could barely come up with anything to ask. There wasn't much quiet time either. It seemed like she needed to keep the quiet to a minimum. During the convo, I did ask her if she was going to allow me to pick her up this time and she said and gave me her address.

We get off the phone and I start pondering our conversation. I felt bad for not having much to add to it; so, I text her apologizing for my lack of conversation and explain to her that I am not good at it and that I have speech impediments which make it more difficult. About ten minutes later, I get 4 text messages from her saying that she wanted to call off Saturday because she doesn't feel like there is anything there. She also says she appreciates me telling her about my conversation skills and claims those things had little effect on her decision. She claims her decision to not see me was more based on our conflicting schedules. She wished me luck on finding that special someone. She did toss in something about me being a "really nice guy" and that she was hoping for more out of the conversation. Like what? She also mentions that she did not have the courage to tell me this over our phone convo.

I get done reading that and was like "WTF"? She goes as far as giving me her address and then takes a 180 on me? As a caveman would say, "Me no understand". I don't respond in hopes she might say something else; plus, it was quite late. I never did hear from her the rest of the weekend. So, I just let it go.

So, what did I do wrong? What would cause a women to give out her address only to do a 180 and stand me up? Should have I responded? Like I said before, I haven't been on the scene for about 16 years and am really "green" when it comes to meeting women and dating.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:18 am 
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Remember that "Happy" song and how it was playing everywhere? On every music station, on all the tv shows going to a commercial, every friend had it playing in their car. At first it was a great song, but then all of a sudden you didn't want to hear it anymore because it was oversaturated. That's what you were to this girl. You made yourself too available to her and it doesn't sound like you gave her that spark she needed for attraction. It doesn't sound like you kissed her or did anything to build attraction.

Read through some of the threads on the forum and you'll get what I'm talking about.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:29 am 
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Remember that "Happy" song and how it was playing everywhere? On every music station, on all the tv shows going to a commercial, every friend had it playing in their car. At first it was a great song, but then all of a sudden you didn't want to hear it anymore because it was oversaturated. That's what you were to this girl. You made yourself too available to her and it doesn't sound like you gave her that spark she needed for attraction. It doesn't sound like you kissed her or did anything to build attraction.

Read through some of the threads on the forum and you'll get what I'm talking about.
Well, to be fair, I only saw her once. And, I wasn't seeing anyone else at the same time. I really don't understand the "too available" part. I looked it up and got mixed opinions on it. No, I didn't kiss her on the first date. I was saving that for the second. She told me before the first date she didn't want to be put on a pedestal. Maybe that was a red flag? I don't know. I am so out of the loop on this dating stuff. I did pay for our dinner and the mini-golf.

She had also mentioned that she had hoped to spend more time with me in the evenings when she's off work. However, we couldn't do that due to our conflicting work schedules.

But I don't know. I've gone so long without having a partner that maybe I am better off without? I am horrible with conversation, I almost always say something wrong and my speech impediments don't help either. They make me sound dumber than I really am.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:50 am 
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Remember that "Happy" song and how it was playing everywhere? On every music station, on all the tv shows going to a commercial, every friend had it playing in their car. At first it was a great song, but then all of a sudden you didn't want to hear it anymore because it was oversaturated. That's what you were to this girl. You made yourself too available to her and it doesn't sound like you gave her that spark she needed for attraction. It doesn't sound like you kissed her or did anything to build attraction.

Read through some of the threads on the forum and you'll get what I'm talking about.
Well, to be fair, I only saw her once. And, I wasn't seeing anyone else at the same time. I really don't understand the "too available" part. I looked it up and got mixed opinions on it. No, I didn't kiss her on the first date. I was saving that for the second. She told me before the first date she didn't want to be put on a pedestal. Maybe that was a red flag? I don't know. I am so out of the loop on this dating stuff. I did pay for our dinner and the mini-golf.

She had also mentioned that she had hoped to spend more time with me in the evenings when she's off work. However, we couldn't do that due to our conflicting work schedules.

But I don't know. I've gone so long without having a partner that maybe I am better off without? I am horrible with conversation, I almost always say something wrong and my speech impediments don't help either. They make me sound dumber than I really am.
I mean you were too available because you were constantly talking to her. That coupled with not kissing her makes you nothing more than a friend. How many girlfriends do you think she can talk to on the phone at any time and have dinners with on any given night does she have available to her? You have made yourself into a nonsexual friend.

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Remember that "Happy" song and how it was playing everywhere? On every music station, on all the tv shows going to a commercial, every friend had it playing in their car. At first it was a great song, but then all of a sudden you didn't want to hear it anymore because it was oversaturated. That's what you were to this girl. You made yourself too available to her and it doesn't sound like you gave her that spark she needed for attraction. It doesn't sound like you kissed her or did anything to build attraction.

Read through some of the threads on the forum and you'll get what I'm talking about.
Well, to be fair, I only saw her once. And, I wasn't seeing anyone else at the same time. I really don't understand the "too available" part. I looked it up and got mixed opinions on it. No, I didn't kiss her on the first date. I was saving that for the second. She told me before the first date she didn't want to be put on a pedestal. Maybe that was a red flag? I don't know. I am so out of the loop on this dating stuff. I did pay for our dinner and the mini-golf.

She had also mentioned that she had hoped to spend more time with me in the evenings when she's off work. However, we couldn't do that due to our conflicting work schedules.

But I don't know. I've gone so long without having a partner that maybe I am better off without? I am horrible with conversation, I almost always say something wrong and my speech impediments don't help either. They make me sound dumber than I really am.
I mean you were too available because you were constantly talking to her. That coupled with not kissing her makes you nothing more than a friend. How many girlfriends do you think she can talk to on the phone at any time and have dinners with on any given night does she have available to her? You have made yourself into a nonsexual friend.
I wasnt looking to get in the sack on the first date. What is wrong with being nonsexual at first and simply letting the relationship grow? I am more of a traditionalist when it comes to dating.

Btw, I have already met another women on this dating site I am using. It has only been a couple of messages so far.


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I wasnt looking to get in the sack on the first date. What is wrong with being nonsexual at first and simply letting the relationship grow? I am more of a traditionalist when it comes to dating.
If you are insistent that your way of doing things is correct, keep doing what you're doing. Just remember, traditional guys are the ones that complain most about women losing interest.
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Btw, I have already met another women on this dating site I am using. It has only been a couple of messages so far.
Great. Understand that there is another guy that just met her on that site too.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:23 pm 
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I wasnt looking to get in the sack on the first date. What is wrong with being nonsexual at first and simply letting the relationship grow? I am more of a traditionalist when it comes to dating.
If you are insistent that your way of doing things is correct, keep doing what you're doing. Just remember, traditional guys are the ones that complain most about women losing interest.
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Btw, I have already met another women on this dating site I am using. It has only been a couple of messages so far.
Great. Understand that there is another guy that just met her on that site too.
It's not that I am insistent, it's all I know. I also understand that I may not be the only guy meeting this women.

So, if I may ask, how should I proceed with this new women? Her initial message to me was her introducing herself and wanted to know more about me. I replied and introduced myself and followed up with a q asking what is it she wants to know. She hasn't replied yet. I think my current work schedule is going to hinder any progress because I am not available during the evenings for anything more than texting or a short phone call during my break.


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PostPosted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 7:52 pm 
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It's not that I am insistent, it's all I know. I also understand that I may not be the only guy meeting this women.
I get that it's all you know. You're not the first guy to come here without a lot of experience with dating women and tell a similar story. You're excited and you want to keep communication going with her as much as possible and at the same time want to show that you're a gentleman. It rarely works because it only shows you as the nice guy but doesn't allow that spark to happen to ignite sexual interest. If a girl is not sexually attracted to you, she will always lose interest. If you're constantly communicating with a girl that has no sexual attraction for you, her interest will be lost quickly.

Don't get me wrong, it can work out at some point by being the traditional guy. That usually happens when a girl is actively looking for those qualities.

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