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Someone who says that kiss closing in a club leads to an f close likely hasn't tried waiting until the seduction spot.
That's you assuming again. I have done what you've said, but in order to be successful at what you say there is more work to it than you've described. Maybe that's what you saw when your buddy the natural was having success and he didn't explain it to you well enough. Focus on pulling and isolating isn't enough of what needs to be done to get a lay in the same night.
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I stick by what I said. The vin de carlo method is not going to help this guy and is thus bullshit advise.
For the purpose of the discussion, you go out at night typically 2-3 hours. For most PUAs if they succeed in the night it is often because they approached a bunch of sets and took a girl home. If you are out 2-3 hours a night, you would have opened up quite a few sets, but rather than going for kiss closes, my stance is still not to bother with the k close. Even further, if you went for the f close and she isn't down go for the number. Not the kiss.
The way I used to do things was to kiss any girl that I could. I ran with a natural for a few years who didn't. I wondered why, then I tried it.
Says the man who pretty much uses the mystery method. If you are going to call Vin De Carlo's material outdated, you're definitely contradicting yourself with that.
The thing is, I've been doing this for about 15 years and it took 5 of those years to get things right. Not because of anyone's method, although there is a lot of good foundations out there. I know my strengths and my weaknesses. At some point, I was just like you thinking that my way or some specific way was the correct way and everyone would/could be successful because of that. Even to this day, I think things shouldn't be done a certain way but someone will come along and humble me because of it. So if you think that I haven't waited to get someone to the "seduction spot", you're very mistaken.
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