so through my reading, i know i shouldn't be drinking when going out. being relatively new and with intermittent approach anxiety on top of living the college lifestyle, i have significantly cut back my drinking but still have 5-8 drinks in a night.

also, i try not to smoke pot when drinking, but occasionally smoke a bowl or 2.

this past weekend i got to the bar after smoking a bowl and drinking a few beers and on top of the group i was with, noticed i was much more outgoing and social and energetic. far from stoned and far from drunk, just in high spirits. i managed to open sets at every bar i was at and #close 3 girls (1 of those in 3 minutes). by far, my best PU efforts to date. and on top of that, i was much more aggressive in my sarging in terms of opening hotter sets/kino earlier and heavier/being more aware of what i'm doing/noticing IOI's more/blowing out AMOGs/keep conversation flowing and girls interested/etc. and much better than i ever have before. in fact, the other dude in our group was AMAZED how i was sitting at a table with 5 HB's (of which i kindly introduced him to) within 10 seconds of walking into the bar and kept asking me about it the next day.

does anyone have any words of wisdom/similar experience regarding this? thanks!

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Weed is the last thing you need when sarging, i cant believe you just said that. If i smoked a joint before sarging i'd have more chance of winning the lottery than opening a set. Plus it proper fucks up your inner game. You might feel great when talking to them, but they're probly thinking 'who's that stone head, pissed up twat'.
Trust me, it doesn't do anything for your game. I find when im drunk it messes with my judgement and its 10 times harder to make a clean successful pick up.

Maybe for you, it balances you out. Weed or alchohol. After prolonged use of weed it tends to affect people in a more sociable way. It was a good way for me for a while, to meet and hang out with girls who were into pot (which around here is way too common). When I quit for a few months, I noticed a complete change. I was more antisocial, nervous, and self concious. I find it extemely damaging to my confidence not to mention attention span. Remembering routines and possessing the abstract thought processes necessary to apply general PUA tactics to a situation are no longer possible high. Thats me, as for you man if you really feel that it works for you then by all means, toke til you choke. Just don't get into a position where you dont feel comfotable sarging without the assistance of a substance.

Well spoken Xecutioner. Bravo!

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I cannot be bothered to do anything when i'm stoned, total motivation killer! I'll only get stoned if it's the last thing I'm doing that day.

Weed = the anit-pua. I smoked on a regular basis and it made me way more anti-social. My attention span is gone and like xecutioner said it has made me nervous and paranoid in a social setting. Ill use it to calm me down at nights just so i can get some sleep. But im down to smoking only like once or twice a week.

See Kay did you mean unsocial.
Here anti-social now means giving people abuse, screaming, swearing, walking in the road, dressing in a reebok tracksuit and starting a riot.
And apprantly thats illegal in this country now (being anti-social)

You wont even be aloud to walk up to people and spit on them soon.

(God save the queen, my arse)

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In America antisocial is not used in a political way or anything like that. We call that rebellion, or anarchy, or anti-estabalishment, or mutiny. Antisocial is someone who prefers to be unsocial. An ideology Im trying to shake personally.

I like to have a little hit before I head out, so that by the time I get to the bar I'm just mellow, but not "high". I find that it just takes the edge off for me, but that's just me, some people become completely paralyzed with AA when they smoke and should stay the fuck away. I've met other people, who smoke more than I do in a week and go out and have piles of women hanging off of them, so it's a case by case thing, but as a rule, drugs and alcohol are gonna mess up your game.

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Yeah, this is a case by case scenario. Mystery always said not to drink because it tampers with your ability to think. However, some people function better when high or tipsy. It depends on the person. Best advice is find out what works for you.

If you really want to test this. Smoke and/or drink and then start talking to female friends. Get their reactions to see if you are stable enough to proceed. If not don't do it, if so smoke like a truck and/or drink like a sailor.

LOL! I think in either case, moderation (as always) is the key.

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My old roommate could smoke a quarter bag in a day and he would go out and still do what ever. Eventually he became pretty unsocial. Girls loved him either way though.

If i take a hit, im in the house the rest of the day/night. Im more of a social smoker, but then become very very unsocial. I like to go out to the bar and have about 2 beers to loosen me up and become more talkative.

yea i've learned from going out too stoned and i already am aware of what happens when going out too drunk. i smoke and go out in public during the day all the time and have overcome the initial paranoia that is associated with it so i suppose only taking a couple of hits before going out won't phase me as much.

I find that I can sarge sober or drinking and get about equal results. When I'm out it helps to have a couple of beers. I find that it takes that filter in my brain away that usually slows me down from making comments, because I want to think about them first. With a few drinks things just flow out of my mouth. And when I say a few guys yes I mean 2-3 Light beers. Although, most of the time I'm dead sober drinking Redbull I find it can help you relax.

My thought is if you are using drinking or smoking to help you get around AA or your anti-social nature then you're using it for the wrong reasons. If you're doing it to relax then so be it, although there are other great relaxation techniques.

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