So why are you posting content that is not yours? Then when I mentioned I disagreed that ...ndirect doesn't work and then you say you didn't say that but yet still post it and blame the writer?

You keep talking down about this forum as a manipulative pua industry. It used to be but this forum has evolved since then and noobs usually come here straight after the reading game and all the routines. But they usually grow away from it from being around here. Be patient and give them time, they usually adapt to direct honesty (perhaps not mode one version of direct) I'm still skeptical that the last 5 girls you fucked that you were nothing but but honest. You probably complimented her style instead of being really honest and telling them you would like to sleep with them as opener. Perhaps you can share some LR's?

I sincerely hope you're not just plugging your friend's blog. Have you met you person responsible for the article?

I understand that if you are just sharing an article you thought that was insightful. Then that's fair enough. But I still get the feelings you're connected to this blogger. I guess time will tell if you continue to post around here and contribute and not just mentioning your friend's blog very 2 posts. There is a lot of shady users and I tend to not like them.

But just be prepared if someone disagrees with you.

Back to topic, I will stand by what I said:

Indirect - not that efficient but DOES work
Forcing IOI's - it DOES work, perhaps you need some help or someone to do it front of you? Works great for me

Evidently I am not getting any stick from other users. I can be bellend and short with people but my general advice seems very welcomed around here.

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This is a waste of time. I'm off out, may approach a few girls and go direct. You're all wankers, but for what its worth, this has been amusing.

Enough said

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Yup, run away. Typical whiny response from the commersh folk:



We must of raised a few good points that he couldn't handle. Enjoy the orks.

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Nah, just got better things to do with my day. I called you wankers 'cause you're behaving like wankers by making personal assumptions and attacks about me. If you'd actually tackled the argument alone, you wouldn't have got that response. These words also apply as you're promoting the deception of women to get in their pants. Sounds like pretty wanker-ish behavior to me.

Ain't no feeble bastard that obeys their every say
They say do this they say do that
No I'm no dogs body
Ain't no feeble bastard
No fucking scapegoat
Ain't no feeble bastard that has no say
I say what I think
Not what they want me to think

You can believe what you like about why I'm abstaining from the conversation but truth is, it is going to end up going around in circles, so rather than try and justify direct I'll go off and live it.

Thank you.

Bullshit. You've made big claims and avoided backing up how those claims worked. Instead, you'd tell us why our methods were dishonest and don't work. Now you are running because you can't back your biggest and craziest claim and you have to get out of here before anyone notices that you didn't answer when you were called on it.

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+1

His response is obviously very reactive but he pretends to be above it and "amuses" him but wants to have the last word...I would say this is a very indirect way of a debate.

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From you guys' words:

Direct makes you stand out from other guys
Direct shows balls
Direct lets you not get friendzoned.


Hmm...sounds like a tactic. See if you guys had just said be direct and be honest...fine. But when you say things like direct has these benefits that we claim as well when we do it, your direct just becomes another tactic to influence an outcome. You're saying be honest...because it has these good benefits as well. So you're just being honest, because supposedly girls will get more attracted to you for showing balls. YOUR WORDS. So you go up to a chick direct. She is attracted to you a bit more by your display of confidence. Hence, it's a tactic just like any other opener. Be honest because chicks like honesty. No different than the guy who says do palm reading because girls like that kinda shit. You guys come in here talking about manipulation, then give the reasons your technique can influence a girls perception of you, like that itself is not manipulation. In fact, from your own perspective, direct sounds more manipulative off the bat than an indirect opener. If you open a girl directly, she thinks you have balls. She assumes your confident right? So you're influencing her thoughts about you by how you approach. If you open a girl indirectly, you're just starting a convo. It's neutral. Hence you arent influencing her idea of you. Lol you guys talk honesty, but make direct more of a tactic to than anything else.

I'm all for honesty if that's what you're on. But be honest with yourself. You're still using a style of game or being to get an outcome, ie appear confident and show balls and stand out. If you think it's more effective fine, but that just means it's a more effective TACTIC. So stop the holier than thou stuff. Once you gave benefits of doing direct besides being authentic, you basically made it another tactic to get a result. If the whole be direct thing was only about YOU, you guys wont be listing hotter girls and shows balls and RESULTS as proof that direct is better. It would start and end with YOU and how you FEEL. Not what it accomplishes within the girl. So it's a tactic. That's like if someone says, give to charity because it's good to do. And then they tell you about the tax benefits. That's where they take it from selfless to accepting benefits and pretending it's not something that it is. You're not telling people to be honest for the sake of it. You're telling them to be direct and honest because girls like that, it shows balls, it's simpler, she'll assume your confident etc. Tactic. And if you have all that to say wrt to how direct favorably influences her perception of you, then you shouldnt be talking abt manipulation. Because at least the guy who opens with who lies more isnt trying to make her think he's confident because he went direct.