Why Direct Is The Only Way To Be Truly Successful With Women



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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 10:32 pm 
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Being indirect can work consistently if that's congruent with your personality. Being direct can work consistently for the same reason.
One of the pitfalls of indirect is that it is difficult to tell which women are attracted to you romantically/sexually vs which ones are not. But when you're Direct, it's easy to tell which women are attracted to you vs the ones who aren't.

If a guy wants an efficient way to pull women consistently, he's going to have a hard time doing so if he's indirect. Direct is a far better 'sorting mechanism' in that it weeds out the ones who aren't interested quicker and attracts the ones who are quicker.
It's more than likely that one of the pitfalls for you, specifically, is that it's difficult to tell the women that are attracted to you. One of the biggest reasons that guys miss out on quality women is because they don't understand the signals. Direct/Indirect does not address the signals that a woman is attracted to you. Wait...maybe you know something that I don't know. Elaborate on this sorting mechanism. I'm always willing to learn something new.
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This whole "you have to do things the way I do it" notion ruins a lot of guys self esteem when it doesn't work for them.
The thing you fail to understand is that Direct means being your true self. Direct is not a routine or a script that you memorise. I'm not saying that people should 'do things the way I do them'. What I'm saying is be Direct, but don't copy my words. Copy the PRINCIPLE, i.e. be direct, but say the words in your own way.
I'm taking this as you assuming because it's obvious that you don't know me and my stance on routines and scripts. In fact, for me to outright state that being direct works consistently if it's congruent to who you are is basically saying it works if you're being yourself implies that you're not really paying attention.

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 10:34 pm 
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I'd like to clarify a few more things for people who might be wondering why it's better to be Direct than indirect. I'll start by talking about the disadvantages of indirect...

THE MAIN PROBLEMS WITH INDIRECT APPROACHES

An indirect approach is any kind of approach where you don't reveal your true intentions to a women right from the start. Instead you beat around the bush and talk about anything EXCEPT FOR what you truly want from her.

You never let her know you are romantically or sexually attracted to her, you never let her know whether you want a monogamous or non-monogamous relationship, etc. Basically you are not honest and straight up with her, and you try to get into her pants by pretending you're not trying to get into her pants.

There is no sexual element to the conversation; instead you have the usual pleasant, polite, platonic conversation that every other guy she meets has with her.

Now on paper it might seem like a good way to meet women, to not be too forward and to 'just have a friendly conversation with her'. But there are several common problems that guys usually encounter when they are indirect with women. These problems are pretty universal amongst men, and seem to occur literally ALL THE TIME to men all over the world. These problems could easily be avoided if men were simply direct and honest with women:

1. When you are indirect with women, there is no solid way to tell whether a girl is interested in you romantically or sexually, or whether she only likes you in a platonic manner. It's too easy to confuse women who just want to be platonic friends with those who want to be lovers, and vice versa.

When you are having a polite, pleasant conversation with a woman, how do you tell whether she is attracted to you or not? She could just be talking to you because she likes the attention or just wants to make a platonic male friend. A lot of guys believe that
if they are merely talking to a girl, it means they are 'getting somewhere' with her. Really, having long winded indirect conversations with women merely gives the illusion they are getting somewhere with her.

Some people believe that you can tell by a girl's body language as to whether she's into you romantically/sexually. There is some truth to this, however body language signals can be ambiguous and still be misinterpreted, therefore they cannot be taken as conclusive proof as to whether a girl is attracted to you.

The only way to be 100% certain as to whether a girl is attracted to you or not is to open your mouth and ask her. If you want a woman to reveal her true intentions towards you, you need to be Direct with her. This will force her to reveal her hand.

2. There's no way to let a girl know exactly what type of romantic or sexual relationship you want with her if you are indirect.

If you are indirect with a girl, how do you let her know whether you are looking for a monogamous or non-monogamous relationship, or whether you just want casual sex, etc? There's no way to actually convey SPECIFICALLY what you want from a girl unless you are verbally direct with her.

3. Indirect approaches and polite/pleasant conversations don't get women turned on

If you want to get women sexually aroused when they talk to you, I'm afraid bland, sexless, indirect conversations don't cut it. There needs to be a sexual element to the conversation. This is where direct really comes into its own. Direct helps you establish a sexual dynamic to the interaction right from start, and, unlike with Indirect, you don't have the awkwardness of trying to shift into sexual mode later on, because you are already there.

4. Indirect approaches don't make you stand out from every other guy she meets

The vast majority of men in society today tend to be indirect with women, and women get tired and bored of the same old same old. Men have become really predictable and generic to women. If you want to stand out from other men in a positive way, you need to be Direct.

It's so rare for a guy to be Direct with a woman, especially if you know what you're doing and can back it up with real confidence too.

5. Indirect approaches leave the door open for women to play games with you and manipulate you and have your time wasted

An unfortunate side effect of beating around the bush is that if you don't take the reigns and actually reveal your romantic or sexual intentions to a woman, you leave yourself in a position where she never reveals her intentions to you. When you are in this position, women can toy with you, play games with you and generally waste your time.

6. Indirect approaches leave you susceptible to ending up in the friend zone or becoming a girl's 'digital communication buddy'

Yet another unfortunate side effect of being indirect with women is that you too often end up in the dreaded 'friend zone'. When you start being Direct with women, you will find that there is no longer such a thing as a friend one in your interactions with women; instead you will effortlessly attract the women who are attracted to you whilst quickly weeding out the ones who are not.

THE MAIN PROBLEMS WITH USING PUA TACTICS & TECHNIQUES

1. They are based on deception, lying, playing games and manipulating women

Do you really want to have to lie to women in order to get romantically or sexually involved with them? What does playing games and manipulating women actually achieve? The answer: nothing!

A much healthier and mature approach is to be direct, real and honest instead.

2. Women can see through tactics and techniques; they are not stupid

A lot of PUA guys underestimate women and naively think women will fall for their tactics and techniques.The reality is, women are not stupid and if you try using tactics and techniques on them, they will see through it and call you out on it. Then you will look incredibly stupid.

Look, canned routines and all that bullshit just doesn't work and it doesn't impress women one bit.

3. They make you appear really false and phony

PUA techniques make men look like bad actors and come across as having a phony and false vibe about them. Women will spot this a mile off and be repelled by such a vibe. Women value men who are geuine and sincere, so the Direct approach will work far better.

4. They're too complicated and unnecessarily difficult to implement

Getting women isn't a complicated science. Being successful with women is actually quite simple. By using PUA tactics and techniques, you're vastly over-complicating the process of meeting women and just making things more difficult for yourself. Not only is the Direct approach much simpler, it also works much better too.

5. You will eventually get found out, and your interaction will end badly

If your base your interactions with women on tactics and techniques, you will, sooner or later, get found and and the girl will really resent you for putting on a fascade. If you want to have true mutual trust and respect between yourself and women, you need to be direct, real and honest instead.

6. You never learn to be your real self around women and to attract them using your natural personality

I think deep down, a lot of guys who use PUA techniques wish they could attract women with their real personality instead, without any of the PUA bullshit. Well, the good news is, with the Direct approach, you can. You will no longer need the fascade, and you can be your true self with women and be highly successful.

7. You will lack honour and self respect as a man and never really feel good about yourself

In the long run, , using PUA tactics and techniques will leave you feeling empty and hollow; you will achieve very little lasting fulfillment or happiness from following this path.

On the other hand, by learning to attract women by being direct, real and honest, you will find a lot more peace and overall fulfillment within yourself and in your relationships with women.

8. Despite what the so called 'seduction gurus' tell you, they don't work anything like as well as they claim (if at all)

Most of the techniques, tactics and routines marketed by the so called seduction gurus are made to seem as if they are some sort of 'magic pill' to make women attracted to you. The truth is, they simply don't work very effectively at all. Remember, PUA gurus are looking to make money, so they will over-hype their products in order to get naive guys to part with their cash.

You will get much better results by being direct, real and honest with women instead.


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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 10:36 pm 
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Here are the main reasons why Direct is more effective than indirect:

1. With Direct, you can quickly and easily figure out whether a girl is into you romantically/sexually or not, so you don't waste time with those girls who aren't interested.

2. With Direct, you immediately convey massive confidence to a girl as soon as you approach her, since it takes massive balls to do a Direct approach

3. Direct establishes a sexual dynamic to the interaction right from the start

4. Direct makes you stand out from all the others guys who she's met

5. Direct prevents you being used and manipulated by women for attention

6. Direct prevents you from entering the dreaded 'friend zone'

7. Direct paints you as an honest and trustworthy person, which is very important to women

8. Direct prevents misunderstandings or anyone being misled

9. Direct makes you feel powerful and confident within yourself

10. With Direct, you don't need to memorise any routines or pickup lines; you can simply say what's on your mind and display your real personality

11. Direct is much simpler; there's less to think about and your head is not filled with all those weird indirect theories

12. Direct helps you develop a very thick skin for rejection and not caring about what other people think about you

If you want to be really successful with women, you are wasting your time and energy if you are indirect and using all those complicated tactics and techniques. Direct is a much more effective way of doing things. I can't see any real advantages to indirect approaches at all.


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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 11:02 pm 
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Shock horror people: reproduction and sex happened before 'game'? I wonder how people hooked up as most people couldn't even read over 200 years ago? They must have had to express their interests in a more upfront manner I guess.


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Any infield?


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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 11:05 pm 
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I can't see any real advantages to indirect approaches at all.
Main advantage of indirect, IMO, is that it allows for attraction to be built that does not yet exist. It doesn't have to be routine driven or manipulative. It doesn't have to have a script.

Let's get away from theory and move to real psychology. The more you are in someone's presence, the more they will find you attractive. If you go direct and express attraction to someone that does not find you attractive yet, you've put the nail in the coffin pretty much at the get go because they've made a decision on you and once they let you down...that let down is going to stick and they won't change their mind. If you go indirect, build rapport and attraction that did not previously exist, you have a better chance of that attraction being returned once you express it. This is not trickery or deception, it's just giving yourself a fighting chance.

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PostPosted: Sun May 17, 2015 11:18 pm 
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Infield doesn't prove anything. Given Alan Roger Currie was once presented with a green screen for an 'infield' video, and Tom Torero was exposed with having hired an actress for one of his infield videos. These don't prove a thing. Why not familiarise yourself with the principles, watch the approach in Vicki Christina Barcelona and judge for yourself. I can post a link of a page written by a woman to get a female perspective on how they feel about direct men.


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I can't see any real advantages to indirect approaches at all.
Main advantage of indirect, IMO, is that it allows for attraction to be built that does not yet exist. It doesn't have to be routine driven or manipulative. It doesn't have to have a script.

Let's get away from theory and move to real psychology. The more you are in someone's presence, the more they will find you attractive. If you go direct and express attraction to someone that does not find you attractive yet, you've put the nail in the coffin pretty much at the get go because they've made a decision on you and once they let you down...that let down is going to stick and they won't change their mind. If you go indirect, build rapport and attraction that did not previously exist, you have a better chance of that attraction being returned once you express it. This is not trickery or deception, it's just giving yourself a fighting chance.
That's probably the dumbest thing I've read this year. I regret all doing this to all the girls I did this to. If she hooks up with you eventually she probably liked you anyway. Its shit like this that causes girls to play games in the first place.


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I can't see any real advantages to indirect approaches at all.
Main advantage of indirect, IMO, is that it allows for attraction to be built that does not yet exist. It doesn't have to be routine driven or manipulative. It doesn't have to have a script.

Let's get away from theory and move to real psychology. The more you are in someone's presence, the more they will find you attractive. If you go direct and express attraction to someone that does not find you attractive yet, you've put the nail in the coffin pretty much at the get go because they've made a decision on you and once they let you down...that let down is going to stick and they won't change their mind. If you go indirect, build rapport and attraction that did not previously exist, you have a better chance of that attraction being returned once you express it. This is not trickery or deception, it's just giving yourself a fighting chance.
That's probably the dumbest thing I've read this year. I regret all doing this to all the girls I did this to. If she hooks up with you eventually she probably liked you anyway. Its shit like this that causes girls to play games in the first place.
What's actually dumb is if someone rejects real science and evidence from people who actually have an education and studies the subject and replaces it with "probably".

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What the hell are you talking about? I don't understand your question...


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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2015 12:14 am 
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What the hell are you talking about? I don't understand your question...
A question mark would indicate that there was a question. Here's something you can snack on until I do have one.

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PostPosted: Mon May 18, 2015 12:50 am 
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I should have said point but I get what you are talking about.

First of all we are not discussing science, we are discussing dating and relationships. Also quite a lot of so called PUA relies upon pseudoscience and cod psychology. Given that among practitioners of direct, among our biggest influences is Dr. Brad Blanton, an accredited psychotherapist, I'll take his word over any PUA any day. I disagree with his association with certain individuals but that's his business alone. He endorses the Mode One approach as not only the most effective but also the best for psychological wellbeing. When you are being indirect you are being dishonest.

Secondly, the scientific method requires the testing of two or multiple different theories. I'll assume you've never tried outright direct in your life, so how can you present yourself as being able to deliver an authoritative voice if all you've done is indirect. I've been both indirect and direct and I can say with confidence that not only is it more effective but it is also better for personal wellbeing. There are no probably's in my argument, I am living it.

Often I find that when people are losing arguments they'll resort to ad hominem attacks, in your case calling me a 'troll'. I disproved your ridiculous argument and when your rebuttal fell short, you have instead abstained from being able to provide a decent counter argument.

As long as we're direct with women, regardless of how effective it is (which is dependent on the woman), we will always have a moral high ground above any indirect method, be it PUA or conventional.


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A female perspective on being direct.

http://www.winggirlmethod.com/how-sexy- ... ith-women/

http://www.girlsaskguys.com/girls-behav ... direct-men

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I should have said point but I get what you are talking about.
At first you don't understand what I'm saying and now you say you do understand. You seem to all of a sudden show up when one poster disagreed with the OP's motives and proceeded with trollish behavior. Now that I've called out your trollish antics, you've decided that you want to communicate in more of a civil level.

I'll take these Dr's who would disagree with your findings.

Igor Miklousic
Ivo Pilar
Nathan Oesch
Robert Cialdini

All accredited and published psychologists.

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