So i met this girl, we went out for first date a week ago, just a casual sports bar, had three drinks, usually more than one means this is going well! We were holding hands, bonded really well, she was even like i don;t usually hold hands on first date, and this and that! I just listened and nodded and smiled!

At the end of the date, i walked her to her to her car. I wasn't thinking about going for the kiss but she turned and said bye and stood there for a second, looked at me and down, waiting...So I went in and we kissed and made out for a bit! And maybe i mentioned something about a second date, maybe i shouldn't have!

Fast forward, four days later, i texted her something along the lines, "I can't wait to see her and kiss those soft, pink lips again".

it's been two days, no reply!

Did i come on stronger than i think i did? I'm really confused! And now i don't know what to do!

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Your text was very needy but I am willing to bet that even if you didn't text that. She would of still flaked.

Let me guess, you met from a dating website/app?

Sometimes you just don't know what is going on in a woman's head. Maybe it went too well and she saw you as BF material but that isn't what she is looking for, or maybe is is vice versa.

I am quite experienced at all this and still to this day get these curve ball flakes when the date went amazing. Now for me, I just accept that I am not every girl's cup of tea or a clash of intentions.

So after an awesome date I am usually feeling the same way before I met her. I don't get my hopes up at all anymore. If we still continue to text I know it's on. This tends to happen more for online dates when it is the 1st real face to face meet. If a girl meets me again from a night club/bar, it is pretty hard to fuck it up.

Don't take it personally and accept that fish will slip through the net.

p.s. let's just hope bad breathe on the kiss is not your problem lol.

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I bet you're right!
I'm going through a bit of a dry spell and so maybe i was a bit needy! But this is so crazy!! But is there any way around this? Should I call her? Today? later this week? I mean I will try again, won't let her go that easy! But what should i do?



Plus last week, i was hanging out with one other girl and talking to two more! And this week, none of them are replying! nada! zilch!

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I would give her space, if she likes you, you will receive a:

'hey, how you? x'

Then you know it's on.

If you feel it dying an want to closure to what the fuck happened, I would just call her out on it and try to get a response (to at least learn from it). I send 'You're shit' - this usually gets a response but usually a bullshit response like ' it's not you, it's me,' or ' my ex bf is back on the scene' (which is all bull shit so you don't actually find out anything)

Did you meet her online?

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Yeah I met online. But we exchanged a few messages and talked on the phone couple of times for like 20-25 mins each, so this was nothing all of a sudden you know where you are blown away!

And i remember her mentioning that she is looking for something more meaningful and that lasts something longer!

I mean this seems like a nice girl, easy going, not high maintenance, always smiling, soft spoken, doing some amazing entrepreneurial stuff in education field, not hugely attractive, maybe like 7, but kind of girl that you wanna be around!

Maybe I should wait until early next week to do anything. If i blow her phone and come off as creepy, i'll lose whatever little chance!

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You were far too "nice''

Never kiss a woman at the end of the date, that's what chodes do. Seriously, if you meet women from online you need to learn how to not push these "automatic chode radar'' buttons in women. During a first date you should be relaxed, lean back and ask HER questions. Let her talk. Women love to talk. You want to hold EXTREME confident eye contact and talk slowly with good body language, lean back on your chair. You said you did a bit of hand holding, but this is provider male behaviour. You set off all the wrong buttons.

Your text was extremely needy and screamed "I need you', do not chase that of which runs away. You didn't come on strong ''enough'' or you were uncalibrated and you creeped her. Anyway, what I usually do is meet her for drinks, and then turn her on through my behaviour and body language, and aloofness. Then I suggest that we go for a walk. Then I kino her. i do not kiss her until we are in isolation. This, in my opinion is where you went wrong, you kissed her, which in turn caused ASD (anti slut defence) on her part.

Again, I wait till she's either back at my place, or I'm back at hers to kiss, however i still talk about sex and kino. (calibrated to her needs.)

''Lets go back to yours, I want to see your cat''

I make up some lame excuse to go to hers. Women need plausible deniability. (one thing led to another....)

From there it's kill at hers for a bit, then bang town usa

Did that answer your quesiton?

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Yes, and in the mean time focus on OTHER women. Right now you are operating from scarcity.

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I see what you're saying but I highly doubt that she will be interested if he didn't kiss her. There is a deeper reason for her to flake for sure.

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@ Mr Rutheless

I did all that, i held extreme eye contact, that's why she was all flustered and scared, started talking i'm not even sure how and why this is happening! And i did a fair amount of kino before holding her hands! pushing her away, putting hand on her shoulder! In my stories, i let her know that i had another options but not like bragging, just to let her know that she is not the only one!

Maybe my text was needy! But I did all that stuff, and to be honest this is not the first time this is happening!

I mean seriously, she was begging to kiss me, how can you not in that situation? I mean she said bye and stood there for few second just looking at me and down!

@Pebble might be right!

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Always kiss on a first date!!

She sounds like a low self esteem crazy chick or she's 14 years old? which one is it?

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I never said ''don't kiss on a first date''

I CLEARLY said.

do NOT fucking kiss her at the end of the date. that's way to provider like behaviour, it's totally afc. It's exactly what chodes do.

I SAID. ....do not kiss her until you are in isolation, it's a complete waste if you kiss her in the mall or something, and then she goes home. You have now just lowered your chances of meeting her again, seems illogical to us, because we are guys, but that's right, she is a woman, and that's how they think. Impossible to meet her again? no, but HARDER.

Get her back to yours, or go to hers, then get her comfortable, then kiss her by all means, but you had better get your penis inside her if you want her to chase you for round two (Fuck her well.)

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A) She's just crazy, it happens

B) She's just not interested in him.

C) ''He kissed me, what does he expect when we meet again?'' *These thoughts are going through her mind, albeit ASD*

Actionable advice: Meet more women, move on from this chick. Who knows, maybe she will drop you a message, eitherway...NEXT

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Have to strongly disagree on that one, I always go for a kiss and I have a very high success rate after a first date (as in they almost always want to meet me again). I think it shows initiative and confidence.

But he clearly said not to do it at the end of the first date