Damn sorry dude. You know what to do now... Go sarging.

i'd rather be rejected knowing i did everything i could to get her attention than freezing her out just to "save face"....

im calling her tomorrow. if she doesnt answer, im going to leave a message with an ultimatium. who knows, maybe everything doesnt follow the "PUA" rules. She knows in fact DO have options because i currently have a "gf". im also best friends with her friend. i can get her to drop hints to her im meeting lots of chicks

Intriguing how you come here looking for advice only to realize that the ideas presented to you are not of your liking.

Your first problem is that you care too much!

There are times when you may do something that completely turns a girl off. There is one medicine for these kind of situations -- time.

Sometimes the girl just needs to have her original feelings and emotions for you reset. Freeze her out a little bit and get back in touch with her in 2-3 weeks. If you KNOW she likes you and she kissed close then this time bridge isn't going to hurt your chances, particularly if you've built enough rapport (The above is no advisable if you've only known the girl for one night).

i do care because its hurting my self confidence wondering why she isnt talking to me

I think you should imagine you are her. Imagine being her and receiving this 'ultimatum' on her voicemail, is that really a good idea dude? she might be completely weirded out by that, especially considering the possibility that she doesn't have you on the brain like you have her.

Give it some time. You say you have her on facebook.. go out with your boys, hook up with some girls, take some pics of you having an awesome time and put them up.

Sorry man but if you called her twice and she hasn't returned your calls, i don't think it's too wise to call a third time.

the ultimatium im gonna give her is that i dont have time for games. if she doesnt want to get something going here then i dont want to talk to her ever again. she has a way of calling me out of the blue every once in a while, we talk for a bit, then she goes quiet again. i want it all or nothing at all. i wouldnt be devestated lol

I know how you feel and thats what you want to do, but its not the right decision. This way of doing things very rarely does any good and will just make things worse, you gotta fight the urges to say these things. And if you are gonna do it, at least say it in person, that way you should get a better reaction, than by phone or mail.

What's up man? I hear ya, I'm having the same fucking problem with one girl. She's fine enough where you want to just be done with the fucking GAMES already. Are we ever done with the games though? Fuuuck...

Girls will always play games... thats why we must learn and improve *our* game. Trust me, if they didnt play these games this forum wouldnt even be here in the first place.

Something i learned, that was very hard to comprehend at first was that our instincts on how to react to these girl games are not effective. Trust me, ive been frustrated and wanted to pull the *ultimatum* card but i was told by friends that it would just blow up in my face, and its a good thing that they saved me pain in the past.

Anyways, im in the same situation as you... Theres a girl i like and shes really really slow with her myspace responses... im talking days between replies. At this point i dont know what the deal is, whether shes playing hard to get or what... But im not tripping on her anymore. I hooked up with another chick last night and have other prospects in the works so im just going along with that chicks game to see where it leads me...

well i havent called her yet lol

i met a friend thru a friend and we went out sarging last night. no luck, but we did talk to a few sets and get an idea of how we work together. So i finally have a wingman thats not a woman. Im feelin pretty good, i dont give a s**t about her lol.

she works in a tanning salon that is right next to the grocery store i always go to. is a pop-in ever ok?

Oooh... I'd be careful with that. You'd have to make sure you're not coming across as stalker-ish, obviously. Does she know you patronize that grocery store? If she's aware of it, you could be walking by and literally poke your head in, say, "Hey! I'm pickin' up some food for this little thing I'm having at my place this weekend/tonight, so thought I would say hello to all the fake bakers and you...ha, well I gotta run, talk to you later." You have to be quick with whatever you wanted to say. And who knows, maybe she'll show more interest than you think.

yeah she knows i grocery shop there. sometimes i will tell her how i saw her car there when i was shopping, and she will be like "you shouldve stopped in and said hi". ive been in there before while i was with a mutual friend

If you don't have time for games, then you might as well become a monk right now buddy. Games WILL BE played in the dating scene whether you like it or not. Get used to it. In fact, be better at the games then they are. That after all, is the goal.

well here is an update. i still havent called her yet, nor has she called me, but we have been exchanging a few messages thru facebook. i'll let u guys know what happens

i decided i was done with the whole song and dance, so i told her not to talk to me anymore. Im kinda glad; i dont want to mess with a chick like that anyway. lol so thats the end