The problem is here, you're quite selectively using statistics whereas this case is completely different.

YES a woman is far more likely to be raped by an acquaintance than a stranger. But to trot out broad statistics when we know IN THIS SPECIFIC CASE are not relevant (OP obviously had no intent on sexually assaulting the young lady) is a bit ridiculous.

Add in the fact that it seemed that she was in a very unfamiliar neighborhood (she doesn't even know the way back to town!) and it makes it more dangerous for her.

As Versalis said,
I wasn't intending on 'sneaking' her back to mine.
I was making the decision for me to not walk in to the city, and then walk all the way back again.
Ie. "I'm cool for you to go. But I'm walking home."

On hindsight, I should've walked her back.
Done the gentlemanly thing etc.

Perhaps there is to much emphasis placed on being dominant, rather than being a gentleman?

Also, I since had a conversation with a good friend about feminism:

"If a girl claims to be a feminist, ask her what does she do? If she doesn't do anything, she's just claiming self-esteem from a label. She has to be an activist, to be a feminist."

I thought that was a great way of looking at it all.

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The problem isn't that you let her walk by herself home. It's that you came off as pouty and childish when she resisted going back to her place. There's this weird trend in pickup where, if a girl doesn't immediately say yes to everything, guys wanna bail out of an idea that they are wasting time. You can put a little effort into making her comfortable with the idea, rather than being standoffish.

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Feminism has fucked up a lot of women. Feminism was about gender equality. Now, its about censorship, ban, money, power, etc. and worse, if you asked most women, they would declare themselves a feminist. These are to be avoided outside sexual encounters and short term at that. The trick is to capture nudes, keep sexual text messages, and anything in the event she tries to claim rape or some nonsense later.

Topics like religion, politics, feminism, etc. should be avoided. The typical argument with high kill count is, well men did it. Men have more sperm then she had amount of eggs. This is not sexist. This is biology. Men are being court ordered to pay child support for children proven by dna to not be theirs. Its fucked up. Men need to use their head.

That is interesting. I need a PHD to discuss the madness that is third wave radical feminism. You what?
It is stupid comments like this that portray just how poor pua forums are with advice.

This is about as ridiculous as saying, all women should be supportive of pua. Are you implying this?

Before answering, think about that answer, and then respond. Do you flag pua on your social media? twitter? fb?

Before saying so, link your social media with your open affiliation to pua. Saying my affiliation with pua should support feminism is the kind of advice that floats in pua forums. It is essentially bad advice. Its terrible advice.

It reminds me of the shirtgate incident where feminists attacked a fucking genius scientist who landed a probe on a fucking comet yet put to tears by angry feminists who called him out as sexist and exploiting women. In the same week, KK took in millions for exploiting herself.
Dating is not for me because I do not support feminism. More intelligent points again. Please, keep them coming.
See, even worse then third wave radical feminism is social justice warriors. The plight of women. Do you always kiss up to women? Pretty weak dude.

There is a pua community and people profiting from it because there is a feminine society we live in with men ranting about the plight of women.

I dare anybody to attempt to find anything in the mainstream media about man particularly white males and sex that is shown in a positive light. You cannot because male sexuality is demonized.

TS, I had a instant date with a girl recently. She is pretty awesome but, she got talking and it reeked of feminist jargon. What blood was going south came running back to my brain in a hurry. Its a turn off. Women who have things going on, who are independent and not just another jump off do not need to verbalize that shit. There behavior is self evident. Women who tend to verbalize not needing a man or not a sloot tend to contradict themselves.

All it says is that, you likely have different core beliefs and values. It could be a fling but likely would not last due to lifestyle views that would conflict with one another.

I actually agree. With PU, I look to connect with people but, I am still finding this feminist jargon repulsive and riddled full of contradictions.
Fact, the amount of money spent on cosmetics in a single year can cure world hunger ten times over. If you are asking, am I aware of female insecurity in the need to rope a man in with pretentiousness, I am. Rather than keep it real, be normal, cover themselves in make up, fake nails, hair, and yet, expect a man to keep it real. Preach equality but, I cannot do something, I am just a girl. Seek same pay but cop out with needing free dinners and drinks. Da, I am aware of diva behavior. Believe me. There is no getting around it if you do PU.


I agree. When it comes to feminism, the origin was about equality, about what is right and fair. Women had a raw deal. Now, they seek traditionalism, the free dinners, drinks, equal pay; essentially, what is mine is mine and what is yours is mine. I can be fine with building bridges of sort. I am not okay with my resources, assets, money, and me as a man used as a utility.

The exchange should be at a base level - time for time. This is usually not the case. The argument of equality is ridiculous to begin with as all things are not equal. The same goes for game. Not everyone is handed the same character, quality or traits and resources. Jmluv was impressive because he was below average yet pulled hot girls. This is impressive. The male model is not impressive for pulling nor is the girl who runs up gang bangs.
I do not give a fuck about the plight of anything. If you or I lost people in 911, would this stop a woman for a moment to actually consider that? Fuck no. We are handed different things in life. Some shitty then others.
The stressors I have experienced in life, women do not get nor do I care if they do. If you lost everything tomorrow, do not expect a woman to stand by you.
As I stated before, I spam cold approach. Mass approaches. Some take and some do not. They then have a social circle or other women I can approach as well. Again, some take and some do not. There are women who I enjoy being around and others I am disgusted by.

Do I have a bit of a chip on my shoulder. Yes. The same chip is what motivates me to go out, to get up at 6am to workout, to do my road work, to put in a hard day at work, and look to better my life. I did PU because I want to have more opportunity and choice.

I do not indulge in trying to understand a woman or listen to her problems. I have enough of my own. The difference is that, if I do not handle my shit, I do not get laid, and I lost everything. Women can sit back, do the gang bangs, and wait for someone to pay her bills. Man does not have the same opportunity. No matter how hard you or I try, neither of us are getting the billion dollar divorce settlement that Tigers wife got. This is not reality.

People, men and women should handle their shit. Instead, the plight of woman is more emotional tampon crap I have zero interest in being party of. If we go back to what I originally spoke of, from a biological perspective, sloot gonna sloot is unhealthy for a woman and ideal for a man to spread the seed. More seed then egg. While women are behaving recklessly, it is with the alpha males, the Zyzzs, the Schwarzeneggers, the Yaboydaves, tbe Julien Blancs, sociopaths, and psychos. Beta bucks and alpha fucks. The alphas take all the women, the betas raise the children and foot the bills. Count me out bro.

1. Women are not really equipped to deal with their own problems. Women mostly lack confidence, and always need support from others to do practically anything important. When she does something totally spur of the moment and on her own(and isn't initiated by someone else) it's usually stupid. And I'm only speaking of fairly intelligent women, as I honestly know next to nothing about stupid women, as I've never dated or befriended any.
Women need men for a lot of things. Guidance and support are among the top of the list.

I don't see paying for dates as an equality thing. Men and women are equal, but different. You seem to be confusing same and equal. This isn't math. She spends two hours getting ready for our date, I pay for it. Seems fair to me. If I were dating a tomboy or something, maybe I'd feel different. Though if you REALLY want to stress the point, just tell her she'll pay next time. I've seen a number of guys suggest that this works just fine.

2. Most of your issues, only apply to marriage and reproduction. Go get a vasectomy, never propose, never cohabitate. Bam! %90+ of your concerns about feminism no longer apply to you.

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While true, feminists would call you on being sexist.

/quote]Women mostly lack confidence, and always need support from others to do practically anything important.
Read first point again.
one of the most amazing experiences I had with a woman was from a young woman who had endured quite a bit of life trauma. In doing so, she stepped up, out, and away from being the typical western woman with a sob story. Many will pick up the phone to tell you their problems about men who bang their brains out, not call, and about their victimhood. It is pathetic. Its not until most endure hitting the wall and experiencing the end of their height in sexual market value. That then means, men stop calling or do so for simply a boot call when the younger, better looking, thin, hot girls are unavailable. Suddenly, she misses the male attention and gaze the way a link I posted before states.

Part of the problem is as Da said above, the plight of women. Social justice warriors and white knight phaggotry is to blame for the lack of their development as well as women and their victimhood. People not just men should handle their shit. Even the hottest girl who is a single mom to most men with game are bang material. It sounds horrible but what man with game, choice, preselection is going to handle raising another mans child?
Women need men more and more as their sexual market value evaporates. Once the free dinners, the drinks at the bar, the pedestal SPAM and traditionalism comes to an end, women begin to put on the good girl routine. Women are just as every bit as cunning, manipulative, and evil as man. Mainstream media will tell a different story.

Going back to biology, this is darwin... women and their neediness. They give the eggs, men give the commitment, she provides children, and man protects her rather then discarding her for someone more younger, attractive and thinner. Today, women can practice the sloot gonna sloot short term mating strategy, government hand outs, social assistance, social justice warriors and white knight phaggotry as well as child support will pan handle to female entitlement even past her sexual market value. Man is as every bit responsible for the lack of development of women and their victimhood. God only knows, most if not all women (outside the NAWALT - not all women are like that) are incapable of taking responsibility.

The problem is that, man holds out for the NAWALT and women who are practicing the sloot gonna sloot, free dinners, red carpet handout SPAM prospers from male ignorance.

The base line exchange should be time for time rather then being a utility but, man is dumb and continues to play the game. I seek marriage, commitment, fatherhood, a wife, and forever. In the process of learning pua, I have been devastated needless to say of the result and as I have progressed in game I move further and further from that goal. My eyes are open and I see it as a lose lose situation. Da called me on fear. Yes, there is fear here. I fear being the kind of mangina who raises another mans child out of ignorance thinking it is my own. Too many girls jumping off man after man, suckering someone into raising the alphas children.
I have agreed with just about everything you said but, you sir are wrong here. Men and women cannot be both equal and different. Its one or the other. The answer my friend is different. Men and women are not equal nor will they ever be. if the handouts society and man as well as government providing women has proven anything, women are incapable of equality since it is their very nature as well as biology to need. They need and therefore disqualify themselves as equal or equality.

Men and women have different strengths, weaknesses, desires, and biology as well as anatomical differences. We are different. Women have less eggs then man has sperm. Biologically, spreading the seed, being the alpha who acquires all women for oneself had a point. Being a jump off whore sloot gonna sloot guaranteed her lack of survival historically. Man would not pan handle to female entitlement nor her security. State and government guarantees every sloot, hoe or whore has that if a man procreates with her even in scenarios today that dna prove are not his own. Not being alpha has its flaws from a biological and sexual perspective.
that there is called traditionalism, gynocentrism... why in the fuck would I care to practice game? Why not just hire a hooker. Saves on all the foreplay? You already said you did that so, I am not sure where you are going with this.

Her taking hours to ready up is merited by her female logic. That is cool for her. Not for me. I should not pay now nor ever but, again, we are not equals. We are in fact different and what women as well as feminists fail to understand is that, by us paying be it child support or dinner dates, it is a indicator of her lack of independence and a promotion of her biology; that being her neediness.
I stated many a times, I intend to get married, have a wife, children, and white picket fence. I just realize it may not happen to be in western society. What the JB scenario with angry obese third wave radical feminists kicking him off planet fucking earth proved is that, it is bad almost everywhere. The dude despite his dumb comments and actions has been censored and disallowed entry into countries because some obese women are butt hurt.

Meanwhile, here in America, some obese woman has wrote and made millions capitalizing on bdsm smut. This is why I cannot take feminism seriously. The bottom line is that, feminism promotes equality but really it is brain washing the stupid with censorship, ban, control, money, and power. It is disrupting the house holds, women running out on their families, wives slooting about at the bar as their husband who works 16hr days is with the kids. Its dark man. Its real dark. I hate it because I would be in that chair if it were not for pua.

Da, I admit, I have a bit of a chip on my shoulder.

There is no such thing as equality. Neither will our experiences be similar. If you asked me, I would have said for sure without doubt, I would be married now with a wife, children, and white picket fence. Through pickup, I have seen stuff, I have experienced, and saw a world more clearly. I am like you prone to biases and perspectives that differ.

I cannot tell you how often I am bombarded by women from the past, women have had gone through their sloot gonna sloot phase, now want to settle down, and cool. I am down to fool around, I am content with the parking lot blowie, and all the facials in the world. I am just not about raising their children, giving her happily ever after or telling her that everything will be okay.

The truth is that, if my eyes never opened, if I never got into game, I would not have had any of these experiences, the drive to be a go getter, to be alpha, to workout, to approach women, to overcome fears, and obstacles in life. Some of the hottest girls who never would have called or gave the time a day now do since I got into learning about success with women. Maybe because of my chip tylers stuff resonates with me. I try to meditate too to quiet my mind. To not overreact which I admit I can do at times.

I also realize that this fear will keep me from reaching my larger goals in life. Not approaching a woman is failure in and of itself. More importantly, if I fail here in a approach, how will I get the girl I want? the wife? Children? The life that I want? Its not about the girl or the lay. Its about becoming that man. I am not there yet but, I am on that path.

You do realize, that foreign women believe even more strongly on "The man pays for stuff", yes?

And if you're cool dating chicks who don't bother to wear makeup or dress well, good for you. You may be the first straight dude I've ever met who doesn't care what she looks like, so long as she's thin. I'd probably expect that women to cover her half, too.

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Women fail to develop because of traditionalism, because of gynocentrism, due to pan handling to female entitlement, the lack of call outs, the you cannot call her a slut or a whore despite being as the definition states. Instead, buy her dinners, wine and dine, give her the pedestal SPAM.

Yes, foreign women typically seek traditionalism yet, they are playing the part of house wife. In Western Society, we have the diva behavior, women who lack KK sexual market value and bank account running around with her entitlement.

Despite biology, despite the fact that single mothers infect their children with a shitty life (check stats if you do not believe me on the effects of a missing father figure), and a variety of other realities. Women are delusional in western society. Yes, there is a NAWALT but, man plays the dating game, rolls the dice with marriage, with his seed, and with the corrupt legal system we live in that pan handles to female victimhood.

Biology promotes males spread their seed. Biology is counter productive to female playing the whore and sloot gonna sloot game. She goes 9month pregnancy, failure to support herself, her child, and risks running the process over again if the behavior continues. This is the average American woman in all her glory and victimhood.

Man can fuck off and find a new woman. This is Darwin, this is biology, and nature. The alphas take all the women, betas foot the bills, and women fail to develop due to neediness being their primal state from a biological perspective. They need. Their child needs which is associated with their primal need. We are not the same nor are we equal. We are different.


Man holds out for the slim chance she is a NAWALT; she will raise his child, he will support her rather then ditch her for someone younger and better looking when her SMV fails her forever. The difference in the predicament of foreign women and traditionalism is that, foreign women known and play the part whereas, Western women want to do the diva KK sloot gonna sloot thing. They know nothing about motherhood, about responsibility, about taking care of herself, of a child, their man, cleaning, cooking, laundry, and of being a wife. She is just entitled because she was taught to be just that. She was taught she wants marriage, she wants children, she wants forever but, she gets that, realizes she misses being a sloot, the pretentiousness, the jump off lifestyle so, she fucks off on marriage, runs out on her husbands, claims her independence and not needing a man as she has her hand out for money.


This awaits everyone in the pickup community unless they do it right. Quite frankly, we are competing against one another. The advice in pickup is mostly garbage. Spam cold approach the same way man practices short term mating strategy. Marriage is the act of supporting a woman and her biological need to bare children, protect her with his resources in exchange to spreed his seed with one woman. Its a poor choice in most cases because most women are raising the alphas child as the betas.

I have pointed out many times, very few are excellent at pickup and very few should be able to sell anything due to such poor success with women.

Internet trolls like Yaboydave or Zyzz got women, they self amused, they trolled, and pulled women. Find me forum pua users who do this?

The best I have known have been part of rsd (Ambi, DistantL, Jmluv, Chinaboy, etc). Only Jmluv was below average looking. Neither of them nor the internet trolls who pulled took account of the plight of women. They just pulled. Spread the seed; short term mating strategy. Even if you look at JB, he is currently what, their best instructor and we can say, he cares little about the plight of woman of her victimhood.

I do not advocate for him or what he suggested and did. If a man did that to a sister or my mother, aunt, grandma, I would take a swing. This again is male brainwashing due to again a feminine society, white knight, protect the women rather then, they are big girls. Put on the big girl pants and handle yours hit. My response still is to react and protect. Again, male utility at work and the same goes for the plight of women.

There is pickup because of the feminine brain washing that man pan handle towards which is man getting in his own way. How ironic?

K, so basically, you don't want to pay for a first date in America, because American women should be independent. You don't like that, though and want a women who's more traditional. But you wouldn't want an American girl who's traditional, because American girls need to be independent.
Therefore, you want to go to a foreign country, pay for stuff, and get a foreign woman who's a dependent housewife.

Flawless logic.

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Oh really. Says women cannot take care of themselves then goes onto argue their being equal. You what mate?

If a woman wants traditionalism, knows little or nothing of being a wife, taking care of herself, children, motherhood, actually can cook, clean etc. this is not the average American woman. The average American woman does not workout, she treats her body like a dump truck, she jumps off dudes until her SMV is done, and then enters victimhood. She is now exploited by the same biology she exploited men with. How ironic?