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PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2015 5:38 pm 
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I'd like to get some advice from the more experienced men on this blog, I'm only 20 and feel like I'm dealing with a ferocious type of woman. This girl and I have been hooking up on and off since last fall. I've never met a girl in my life that has played so many games. I've faltered at times but always get my shit together and come back with strong game.

Recently, after a hiatus of a month started by me scolding her for flaking on a date last minute, we were at the library together when she mentioned how we seem to always be on a roller coaster of highs and lows together. This is completely due to the fact that we have always been fighting with each other over who has the dominant frame.

When i scolded her she get really upset and told me no one talks to her like that, so i asked if her bf in high school ever told her how it is and she told me she basically had him whipped and could manipulate him to do whatever she wanted. She also said how she plays mind games with guys in our breaks and makes them go crazy (I've seen this firsthand as I've almost got into fights due to this). I guess I'm the only guy she's met with a modicum of game and have held my shit together for the most part but she's definitely had times where she's gotten the best of me.

So my question to you guys is how do i tame this girl? How do i get her to submit to my frame, i'll never allow myself to be pussy whipped like her previous bf but that seems to be her only mode of operation in a relationship. She's definitely a crazy bitch and i know some advice will be to just forgot about a chick like this, but i see this as a great test of my game. She's not the only girl I'm talking to but i would just really like to break this, what seems to be, the female version of a player.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2015 8:21 pm 
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Sounds to me like the more important question is why would you want to subject yourself to that?

Based on what I hear, she is not gf material, fuck buddy material at best if she is good in the sack. Alpha women are high quality women, but she doesn't sound like one. She sounds like a first class manipulative bitch if she actually pulls shit just to drive guys nuts or create drama. Find someone else to blow a nut in and when the questions things tell her the truth, you are sick of her manipulative games and bullshit and prefer to spend your time and energy on something else. She either grows up and becomes something better, or you save yourself a lot of fucking drama.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 12:40 am 
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The only way to keep a girl from playing games and manipulating you is not to play the game with her. If you feel like you are in a situation where she's doing that to you, put your foot down and walk away. Don't be afraid to tell her that you don't like playing these immature games. Believe it or not, she will respect you for that.

My opinion is that when you don't allow yourself to be toyed with, she will either fall in line or go find someone else that will allow her to play childish games. Either way, it's a win for you.

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^ What JackZero said

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If you're the submissive type, read up on n2thevoid's advices. N2's advices will work well on dominant women if you're a submissive man.

Just learn to calibrate though so you don't run here often whining and complaining that your women are physically, mentally and emotionally abusing you.

Find the right balance. But as a rule of thumb, submissive men are generally compatible with alpha females.

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^^ :lol: This guy's still butt-hurt! Should I be flattered I'm still in your thoughts? You look like De Forrest Kelly's (Bones from Star Trek) dopplegagger btw

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 7:34 pm 
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I mean honestly guys I've had to deal with so much that I feel like her games are just making me better as she just keeps coming back and reinitiating this relationship after we get in a fight about something. It seems like I'm slowly gaining ground.

I can understand telling her straight up enough games but that seems to me like I'm giving up and I'm not emotionally or mentally strong enough to deal with her.

Do you really think an ultimatum like this would work when she's testing me?

The sad part is besides the games and testing she really has her moments where she is a great girl. I'm only the 2nd guy shes been with and i really can confirm this. We've had nights where she's told me she sees herself marrying me. What i'm trying to illustrate here is the point that I feel like if she finally breaks and submits I'll have her wrapped around my finger. And really what man doesn't want that?


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 8:03 pm 
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Sounds like you are more concerned about winning more than anything else. This is leading you into investing more into her and her investing more into you in an unhealthy way. This is how toxic relationships are cultivated.

Looking at it like an ultimatum is a sign of not being emotionally or mentally strong. A person who is emotionally and mentally strong would not continue to accept bad behavior. The fact that you can lay it down on the table to her and being able to stick to your guns is a sign of integrity and self respect.

If you seriously thought you were gaining ground with her, you would have had no need to create this post. All you would need to do is keep moving in the direction that you were going because what you have been doing is working. Instead you are here trying to find a trick to get her to change for you so that you can get your way without a risk of losing her. The lesson you need to learn is that manipulation and tricks are temporary solutions, but having standards solve problems permanently.

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Recently, after a hiatus of a month started by me scolding her for flaking on a date last minute, we were at the library together when she mentioned how we seem to always be on a roller coaster of highs and lows together. This is completely due to the fact that we have always been fighting with each other over who has the dominant frame.
Relationships are not competitions who has the upper hand. When you are in a relationship with someone you are on the same team. When you are competing you are one against the other. So how are you supposed to be on the same team if you are against each other? It doesn't make sense.
The right frame of a relationship is support, mutual effort to see each other's point, both parties trying to make each other happy etc.
If your gf is flaking on you on a date you should instantly understand that she is not that excited to see you. There is nothing to scold there. You should see if you could work into seducing her. If she is into you she will make sure she will put you and your date as a priority.
If not move on... but if you still don't want to learn how it is a good healthy relationship.. keep reading on I will give you the answer you are seeking.
Oh! and keep in mind the extreme highs and lows create addiction between two people. Addictive relationships can easily turn into abusive.
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When i scolded her she get really upset and told me no one talks to her like that, so i asked if her bf in high school ever told her how it is and she told me she basically had him whipped and could manipulate him to do whatever she wanted. She also said how she plays mind games with guys in our breaks and makes them go crazy (I've seen this firsthand as I've almost got into fights due to this). I guess I'm the only guy she's met with a modicum of game and have held my shit together for the most part but she's definitely had times where she's gotten the best of me.
Alright... so lets examine this closer.
For her to have such a high ego means that guys fancy her and she knows it. She knows that her power to play games comes from the fact that men want something from her and she is the one that decides if she is going to give it or not. Now pay close attention to this: if a guy DOESN'T want anything from her or doesn't care a lot about getting something from her automatically her power is zero.
Have you ever heard of the donkey and the carrot? The person with the carrot makes the donkey follow. That's because the donkey WANTS the carrot. But what if the donkey is not hungry? or the donkey doesn't like the carrot? The donkey will give up at the first sign of an obstacle. So the person with the carrot would have to convince the donkey have a bit of a carrot...
Your gf knows that. So she is playing with this.
On the other hand you need to realise that she is also a very very insecure person. She needs reassurance from men. And that's YOUR carrot... and how you turn her into the donkey. You don't reward her with this reassurance or you reward her here and there just a little bit and you keep her waiting for more.
How do you reward someone in these cases? It is with feelings.
I will bring you an example: she flakes on a date. The reward is your anger. That's reassurance that she is important and she matters to you.
How do you NOT reward her: you don't get angry. You are indifferent. If she is more than fifteen min to half an hour late, no phonecalls or excuse why she is late then.. you make new plans that don't include her. She didn't come? No biggie. Ignore her until she starts behaving.
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So my question to you guys is how do i tame this girl? How do i get her to submit to my frame, i'll never allow myself to be pussy whipped like her previous bf but that seems to be her only mode of operation in a relationship. She's definitely a crazy bitch and i know some advice will be to just forgot about a chick like this, but i see this as a great test of my game. She's not the only girl I'm talking to but i would just really like to break this, what seems to be, the female version of a player.
The female version of the player is nothing compared to the male version of the player. Because sex is easy to get from lots of different sources (for men who have even average skills) a woman doesn't hold such a big power. She is not the only pretty woman around you who is willing to have sex. Especially if you live in a city or in any environment that your options are not limited to 5 people..
Women decide for sex and men for commitment. Commitment is harder to find, takes longer to establish and is easy to break. Sex is just an action. It can be given but never be taken back. In extreme cases you can get sex if you pay but you can't get commitment even if you pay... you might get the illusion of commitment. You can't get the illusion of sex lol Do you see what I mean? And the older you get and the female biological clock is ticking a guy has even more power over a woman.
Now let's get back to your question... "how to tame this girl, how to get her submit to my frame?" I explained to you earlier how you can turn the tables.. however, even if it is good to know how to do it I'd say better keep it as a self defence knowledge. If you dance with the devil you will lose your soul and you will suffer consequences.
If your goal is in the future to settle down and have your own family don't focus on learning power games. Focus on improving your social skills and selecting the people you are going to invest your time.
Keep in mind that women who are relationship material and without daddy issues don't to settle down with "manwhores". It's the same thing as with men who don't want to settle down with a slag.


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I personally don't see why you want to.

She sounds broken, and full of emotional hang ups and issues. You're simply playing with fire if you ask me and you know what happens when you do that.

You have to make your own personal happiness the most important thing in your life. And if there are people in you life making you unhappy you have to question whether or not its for the betterment of your future to keep them there.

I'd advise you to leave her alone to preserve your own emotionally stability for the future. Trying to manipulate her and control her will only be temporary fixes that will turn around to bite you in the long run.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 8:22 pm 
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Well i'll give you guys a status update. Earlier i just sent her a message to call me later to talk about a few misc. things. I get back a "nah" so i wrote her a message telling her if shes likes acting like a bitch for her amusement good for her but i dont have time for it and don't text me when she's drunk and horny. She replied with a simple "ok" and i told her "good girl". She then told me to delete her number from my phone and i didnt reply. Cannot tell you how big my balls feel. Really could give a fuck if she comes back but if she does its going to be completely on my terms. Thanks for the advice.


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I'd like to get some advice from the more experienced men on this blog, I'm only 20 and feel like I'm dealing with a ferocious type of woman. This girl and I have been hooking up on and off since last fall. I've never met a girl in my life that has played so many games. I've faltered at times but always get my shit together and come back with strong game.

Recently, after a hiatus of a month started by me scolding her for flaking on a date last minute, we were at the library together when she mentioned how we seem to always be on a roller coaster of highs and lows together. This is completely due to the fact that we have always been fighting with each other over who has the dominant frame.

When i scolded her she get really upset and told me no one talks to her like that, so i asked if her bf in high school ever told her how it is and she told me she basically had him whipped and could manipulate him to do whatever she wanted. She also said how she plays mind games with guys in our breaks and makes them go crazy (I've seen this firsthand as I've almost got into fights due to this). I guess I'm the only guy she's met with a modicum of game and have held my shit together for the most part but she's definitely had times where she's gotten the best of me.

So my question to you guys is how do i tame this girl? How do i get her to submit to my frame, i'll never allow myself to be pussy whipped like her previous bf but that seems to be her only mode of operation in a relationship. She's definitely a crazy bitch and i know some advice will be to just forgot about a chick like this, but i see this as a great test of my game. She's not the only girl I'm talking to but i would just really like to break this, what seems to be, the female version of a player.
She's push/pullin' ya and got you hooked. She knows it too. While you THINK you're in control and come here to talk about your 'big brazen balls', the reality is (and the more experienced guys here know this) that she's got you under her thumb like all the other chodes she told you she enjoys manipulating - and bet your a*s she's likely telling them the same thing making them feel as though they're the exception to the rule. Seriously, any girl who prides herself on being manipulative I'd steer clear of, but for you, at least the time being, its already too late - this will continue on for a while yet (which your attachment likes to hear) but you'll be in rough shape in due time until you actually just grow a pair and leave, or she ends up tossing you to the curb to tantalize the next guy that comes along.


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She's push/pullin' ya and got you hooked. She knows it too. While you THINK you're in control and come here to talk about your 'big brazen balls', the reality is (and the more experienced guys here know this) that she's got you under her thumb like all the other chodes she told you she enjoys manipulating - and bet your a*s she's likely telling them the same thing making them feel as though they're the exception to the rule. Seriously, any girl who prides herself on being manipulative I'd steer clear of, but for you, at least the time being, its already too late - this will continue on for a while yet (which your attachment likes to hear) but you'll be in rough shape in due time until you actually just grow a pair and leave, or she ends up tossing you to the curb to tantalize the next guy that comes along.


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 3:47 am 
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To everyone else that actually provided insight and advice thank you. I'm going to stop seeing this chick as I agree 100% on the toxicity this relationship is growing into. Hardest part will just be to resist the temptation to reply when she does reach back out. I'll make sure your advice isn't forgotten in future relationship


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PostPosted: Fri Mar 27, 2015 11:45 am 
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To everyone else that actually provided insight and advice thank you. I'm going to stop seeing this chick as I agree 100% on the toxicity this relationship is growing into. Hardest part will just be to resist the temptation to reply when she does reach back out. I'll make sure your advice isn't forgotten in future relationship
If you can't block her .. friendzone her and leave her in the forever friendzone state.
She will try push/pull, she will try to play games.. you stick to being JUST friends. Nothing more. It will help if you accept that this thing will never progress into something different and be ok to leave it like that.
Don't even get tempted to play any games. Any game playing will put you back into the cycle you want to escape from.
It will help if you keep her as much as you can at an arms length and speak to her with generic answers. Stay indifferent to any of her actions. Don't attempt to control her for any reason. If you sense controlling do not participate.
Eventually she will lose interest at some point and she'll find the next target to play with..

IDEALLY... going no contact would instantly fix all problems with less effort.

I have personal experience on the subject ..so trust me on that.


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