Alright, I have been seeing this virgin HB8 for about 2 weeks(since our first meeting; more time spent online). I am getting pretty much every imaginable IOI and I am sure she really wants to be in a relationship with me judging by what she has said between the lines and what her friends have said.

My problem is transitioning into seduction. I thought it would be easy with her because I have so much momentum going for me.

What is throwing me off is how she kisses me. First off she never initiates or meets me half way, normally I would go in for the kiss and pull back to tease her but she is not leaning in at all so this does nothing. More importantly when we do kiss there is never any tongue(seems to me I need a french kiss before I proceed to other things).

Then another curve-ball last night, I was trying to "open up" while I closed mouth kissed her and in order to initiate a "make-out." It actually worked to get her mouth open but her toungue did not meet mine and I found myself licking empty space in her mouth ... It could have been her way of teasing, I'm not sure. It kind of through me off so I didn't really say much(just a "what was that" look on my face).

To eliminate obvious answers:
-she has done sexual acts other then intercourse before she met me
-I have tried mini-freeze outs but I feel like she isn't able to recognize her behavior I am punishing because we ARE kissing, I just want her to chase my kiss more

My thoughts:
-Could this have anything to do with her having the wrong frame of our relationship(not sexual)?
-Maybe I'm rushing things, this was the first meeting after our first kiss(but I have been with a decent amount of girls and my calibration is telling me I should have a french kiss by now)?

Any help as to what I could have done better or what I can do or ANYTHING would be greatly appreciated!

Either this chick is roughly 15yr old, or she feels she is being cheaply used, have u tried qualifying her? Make her feel she is worth the "relationship".

Ya i agree, maybe I need to qualify her more so she feels more comfortable coming on to me.

I was talking with my wing today and he said he had run into a few girls who he has gotten with who just don't french kiss.

Has anyone had a similar experience?

my ex gf was like that she said it made her feel slutty and wasnt affectionate.. it always kinda bothered me... my advice just move to the next level dont wait for the tounge first...

Ok, I solved my problem so I thought I would give you guys an update and hopefully it will help guys in the same situation:

I had been on the road for hockey for a few days. Most of the trip I had been trying to start up sexual threads with the goal of opening her up to me. Unfortunately it became obvious that she was purposely ending them quickly.

So I decided to just come right out to her about it and asked her why she was holding back physically towards me. She broke down to me and said her last bf cheated on her, making it "scary" to put herself out there.

But she also said how much she liked me and how I am so "different" from every other guy she's met. From now on she said she was going to try and put herself out there and also said she was ready to loose her virginity soon.

The lesson here is: all along I thought something was wrong, I only understood and fixed the problem when we talked it out.

OMG you've just discovered the holy grail of Pickup!

So, now that she's confided in you and promised to make herself more available, have you tried escalating things?

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I asked my girl a similar question. I found out she was bi polar, in the medical way, and not just nuts.

No I am still on a road trip and I wont be home for another 5 days or so. However I have def escalated our talk about turn ons, how we are going to have a sleep over and pretty much everything except actually stating how we are going to have sex when I get back(though she has subtly suggested it, she will obviously not want to plan her own seduction).

I think it's safe to assume she will be 100% more receptive towards physical affection but I will let you know when I get home.

Alright, just got home today and confirmed what I had thought from my convos while I was on the road: she is more physically receptive and I GOT MY FRENCH KISS.

Oh not to mention we planned a sleep over for next weekend that includes candle lit shower and massage; she will not be a virgin for long.

Thanks for everyones help!