Complex Needs conflicting my unconscious and ruining my game



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2015 4:36 am 
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I want to see this from a well-founded psychological standpoint, not anything regarding NLP, Frame control or any of that shit. No offense.

Anyway, my self-esteem problem is pretty complicated. I want to go for hot girls way out of my league. Deep down I know that what I want is wrong because I want it for social status, self-esteem, etc. and I realize I don't care about any of them and I just want sex disregarding what she wants.

Yet at the same time I try to hide it by being nice (Not even that. I usually freeze up in awkwardness) because I fear rejection and other social repercussions. So I withdraw from them by putting up a "bitch shield" of sorts so I can reject them before they reject me (I dont say nothing rude but I ignore them even if they havent done nothing wrong) and yet I keep doing this because it makes me feel safe.

Here's the messed up part: My unconscious is trying to tell me to stay away and be safe (wrong) but at the same time it's telling me "Go out and get these bitches! To prove your worth! Is this not your birthright?" (Also wrong) Which has lead to much confusion and pain.

Normally I would figure it out myself but now I think I could use some advice. I know both propositions are bad, so I need a third solution that really heals my mind and makes me feel better.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2015 1:09 am 
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If you want advice from a well-founded psychological standpoint, you should see a professional psychologist.

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PostPosted: Wed May 06, 2015 6:43 am 
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I want to see this from a well-founded psychological standpoint, not anything regarding NLP, Frame control or any of that shit. No offense.
Okay dude.

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I want to go for hot girls way out of my league.
I found your problem.

It's your foundational assumption.

Of course if you think they're inherently out of your league your mind will think of ANY reason to not go for them.

I'm not to give you BS feel good advice, just point out what's logical and what's not. Go see your mummy if you want to feel better.
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Deep down I know that what I want is wrong because I want it for social status, self-esteem, etc. and I realize I don't care about any of them and I just want sex disregarding what she wants.
How is that wrong? How do you know that the girls don't want exactly the same thing? They aren't fairies that shit rainbows and perfume. They're as human as you and I. This is pure conjecture that you have imagined.
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Here's the messed up part: My unconscious is trying to tell me to stay away and be safe (wrong) but at the same time it's telling me "Go out and get these bitches! To prove your worth! Is this not your birthright?" (Also wrong) Which has lead to much confusion and pain.
You've wound yourself into a double bind.

Stop believing everything you read on the fucking internet. Every dumbass has an opinion on this topic these days and don't. I know you've read this a lot from some guru and a thousand wannabe experts on dating and they say 'Don't chase for validation', 'Be centered', 'Be outcome dependent'. Although these things are GENERALLY true, they are virtues to live up to like honor, humility or compassion. They are not ABSOLUTELY true. You are taking this garbage too seriously.

The more likely case is that you are simply lying to yourself.

Both of these are excuses not to approach and get what you want.

If you actually did it BOTH of these excuses would vanish.

There is no 'Psychological argument', that I can give to make you feel better.

Your mind works based on evidence, not theory.

You need more evidence to prove that your foundational beliefs are wrong.

Namely the fact you view women as 'Out of your league.'

THAT is your issue. Not this made up mind stuff you are fabricated around your core beliefs.

You believe it because you have never tried to date a pretty girl before.

So you assume they are unattainable.

Do you see the paradox and catch-22?

If you made the fucking effort you would not think like this.

But it sounds like you just want someone to validate your victim feelings.

Most people don't want to get better. They want to complain and draw people into their small little world.

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