Wuddup everyone?!? Veteran PUA here finally posting for the first time

I started my PUA journey at the end of 2011 after a bad case of one-itis and heart break. I have gained a ton of experience in the field ever since. Coming from a studious/dorky/nerdy background, I went through books/seminars/audiobooks, you name it. I had to completely rewire all my neurons. But if I could do it, so can anyone

The other day, it dawned on me that I have a lot of valuable experience that others would find useful which is why I decided I'm going to give back to the PUA community and help those looking for guidance.

I'm by no means an expert at this. However if I had to summarize my "pua resume" I've done very well for myself. Bad girls, good girls, rich girls, HB 8s and 9s (no 10s yet), three somes, Kclosed 3 girls at once (more of a confusing experience than it sounds), young girls (obviously 18+. lol), milfs, taken some Vcards, had Asians, Latinas, Americans, Europeans, some SNLs, etc etc. I even built an army of HBs for powerful social proof. (more on this army later)

^Now, the only reason I'm mentioning all this is so you guys know I'm sharing experience and not theory. I really hope it doesnt sound like I'm braggin. haha

Right now, I'm in my mid 20's, focusing on a business I started so my pua journey is on hold due to my priorities. However, as some of you know, gaming does get addicting. Even though I'm not currently active, I'll still drop my 2cent along with my field reports from these past couple of years (i have most of the on a word document).

So yea, I look forward to helping people become their better self. Any questions, just ask!


Yours truly,

NocturnaLiam

EDIT: Oh and something else I figured I could add is that:
1) I've had a descent amount of failures, hence my successes. But I learned that the failure to success ratio isn't as huge as i originally thought. When I first started I thought it would be 10 failures for every 1 success. However for me i started out at 5:1 and now I'm roughly at 2:1.
2) I'm very technical and micromanaged. I've been that way since I was a kid so I can breakdown every single thing I do when out on the field. In other words, since I'm very conscious of what I'm doing, it's much easier to explain.

_________________
Temporarily retired from seduction, but here to share some experiences and wisdom which will (hopefully) help this community get to the next level.

Welcome to the forum!!
Based on what I just read it's like I just met my identical twin haha.
I guess if I could ask you a question it would be: what is the best advice/tactic you have come by? Something that has really changed and upped your game?

_________________
---Red's Journal
Motivation Mindset="If I can do it, it can be done"
No Fap Mindset="If I fap, I will turn into a god damn retard"

Haha, thank you for the welcome!

Honestly, it's very difficult to pick just one piece of advice/tactic. Like most people here, I started with canned lines and routines and eventually went off to more of the natural approach. I've used many different 'tactics' including NLP, magic tricks, palm reading, cold reading, etc etc. I still use some gimmicks every once in a while. Only difference is that now I do it because it's actually very entertaining for me. But I will admit at first, I was very outcome dependent.

To answer your question on advice, the first piece of advice for any aspiring 'pickup artist' (i really hate that term. lol) would be to know that yes, this is real and its totally possible. Once you quiet that little voice in your head that keeps you from taking action by truly believing in every cell of your body that you too will have great results. That was the first breakthrough that allowed me to at least be open to the idea of possibility. I thank The Game by Neil Strauss for that. It opened up my eyes.

Once you've acquired confidence and experience in the field, the second paradigm shift that impacted my pua journey was when I chose to make MY reality rock solid. What I mean by this is that whatever reality would empower me and yield me the results that I wanted, that was the reality I would adopt. As it turns out, when you're rock solid on your reality and you're very congruent, people just give up on their own reality and adjust their beliefs to yours.

To avoid sounding so abstract, here are a few realities that I've adopted and convey to girls when I'm in field. (This is all field tested):

-All girls are bisexual: This allowed me to make out with more than one girl at once on multiple occasions. Also, it led to more in some other cases with more than one HB at a time

-Girls want sex just as much (if not more) as guys and that's perfectly normal. And YES, girls masturbate ALL THE TIME: This belief allowed me to have sex with HBs much quicker and develop a powerful sexual connection within a minute of the interaction. On multiple occasions I've had girls explain how they masturbate and what they like, etc etc within 2-3 minutes of meeting them.

-Sex is not a big deal. AT ALL: When I convey this implicitly (sometimes explicitly) it removes all the pressures of her having sex with you. Rule of thumb, if somethings a big deal to you, it will be to her as well. Since most guys put sex on a very tall pedestal, it reeks of desperation and usually drama. Women can sense this. They know that they have something you want. Something valuable. However, with this belief, you strip them of their power. And indirectly, it DRAMATICALLY increases the chances of her seeing you as a potential mate. Also, it gets rid of the whole 'we gotta get to know eachother over the span of 8 months before having sex' belief. Chances are that with proper calibration, you'll fclose that same week. Week 2 the latest.

These are a few beliefs. There's a lot more that I've fully internalized but I'd rather keep this as a discussion instead of me writing a full book (even though I already am )

Thoughts?

_________________
Temporarily retired from seduction, but here to share some experiences and wisdom which will (hopefully) help this community get to the next level.

Oh wow! I was not expecting this detailed of a response back, to be honest. Thx!
What!? Okay. After I have built up a lot of comfort I can see girls be okay with talking about this. On occasion I have gotten them to talk about this too. But I can't see this playing out in my head after 2-3 minutes within meeting them. How are you shifting to that? "I'm just so tired. I had sex last and this girl just squirted everywhere. Have you ever had that happen where you were just getting fucked, and as soon as you started rubbing your pussy you squirt everywhere?"
That is very well put! I like that. It makes sense based on law of state transference; other people will feel the emotions/vibe you give off.

I like the beliefs you have. They are great ones to have! You should start writing field reports! It will help you stay active in the forum as well as help you learn from your mistakes as well as help you develop a better social circle here. I just started mine two days ago (link below).

_________________
---Red's Journal
Motivation Mindset="If I can do it, it can be done"
No Fap Mindset="If I fap, I will turn into a god damn retard"

Lmao!! I've yet to be THAT explicit

But believe it or not, if you use the correct body language, and more importantly a 'no big deal/matter of fact/nonchalant' tonality in your voice, you can actually pull it off.

To give you an idea of how I've done it in the past, using that specific tonality (this is the most important part imo). It's very monotone. I purposely keep emotions out because any time you put emotions into anything, it gives it some value and thus makes it mean something. I reserve the emotions for later in the conversation. Using this tonality and voice inflections will allow you to safely verge into ANY subject that would probably be considered TABOO. You say things in such a flat manner that if SHE responds with emotion, she'll feel like she's doing something completely wrong and possibly feel awkward. You basically sound as enthusiastic as a weatherman telling you about todays forecast.

Here's a mini field report where I used this (I'm only gonna focus on this specific part of the interaction):

I'm at a bar going to get a drink. It's 9 something pm (meaning people are still sober) and I spot an HB 7 next to a group of friends. Shes kinda isolated from them.

Me: Hey! I was debating weather to come talk to you or not. Since I saw you by yourself, red flags went off that there might be a reason why no one's talking to you. Please tell me you're not one of those psychotic crazy girls (with a smirk)

HB: hahaha, no no, those are my friends. I swear I'm really nice. lol

Me: Hmmm....yea ill give you the benefit of the doubt (still with a smirk).

*A bit of small talk about her tan and how she was Italian etc etc.*

About 2-3 minutes in...
Me: Omg, so I heard the craziest statistic a couple of days ago. Did you know that 90% of women masturbate in the shower and the other 10% sing a song? (Lmao, this was the very first time I had crossed this boundary so early with a girl i just met so I used this joke as a crutch)

HB: Really?? no i had no idea

Me: Do you know what song they sing?

HB: No, what song?

Me: (with the biggest smirk) Hehehe, now I know what YOU do in the shower. I can't believe I shook your hand when I met you

HB: hahahahahaha. omg!! hahahahaha

Me: (in the no big deal, matter of fact tonality) Haha, its cool. I've always had so many friends that are girls that I've come to the conclusion that women are more perverted than guys are. I've seen and heard it all already so there's really nothing a girl could do or say that would catch me off guard anymore. The only thing that sucks is how most women feel the need to hide it, you know? How even though sometimes there's that electric sexual chemistry between a girl and a guy (now Im using the subtle NLP hand motions pointing to her and then to me). You know, the one you feel right here? (put my hand close to her belly). And yet some women feel the need to hold back (I took a little step back) despite their deep desires to take whats in front of them. It's really not fair, specially if a guy sleeps with a bunch of girls he's a 'pimp' but if a girl does it, she's 'loose.' I feel that if women wanna act on something, they shouldn't have to receive permission to do so. Wouldn't you agree?

HB: wow, yea thats crazy that you see it that way because most of society....etc etc

Me: Yea totally! I already know you're very sexual. And that's normal. That's how people's brains are hard wired. Yet to this day, people still try to make it a big deal. And on top of it all, I'm surprised that the showerhead hasn't gotten old for you (once again I have a huge smirk)

HB: hahaha, what can i say, when you find the right brand of shower head, it gets addicting. hahahaha

Me: Yea but most of my chick friends have already moved on to toys and some to other foreign objects that are a bit....alien to me. Plus, now that I think about it, you DEFINITELY look like the adventurous type. The one that's into handcuffs and all that kinky stuff. When I was a kid my mom always warned me to be careful with girls like you.

HB: hahaha, WOW, as much as i hate to admit it, you're spot on. I'm actually a big fan of....(conversation about her preferring the shower head over dildoes, and how shes always had fantasies about being handcuffed, etc etc)

Around minute 5 or so of the interaction as we're still on the subject, she's radiating IOI's. I notice all this as I'm talking about something

Me: *pause* wait, come here for a second.

she gets closer

Me: I can tell you're no longer listening to me. Here, let's get this out of the way.

Then I K-close her. When she puts both of her hands behind your head, you know that she REALLY wanted it.

Me: okay, that's all you get. Afterall we still are in public. But anyway, as I was saying....

And I continued nonchalantly talking about whatever I was talking about. I could tell her heart was racing, she was taking very deep breaths, and her pupils were extremely dilated. I definitely made her night better. Based on her reaction, I know for a FACT that no guy has ever done anything remotely close to that before.

But again, the WAY you say all this is CRUCIAL. That flat, no emotion, nothing surprises you anymore tonality is what gives you the permission to talk about ANYTHING you want. Just to verify that this wasn't a fluke and I didn't come across the one outlier, I tried it again several times with new women (minus the joke this time) and every single time, we got into the discussion of her sexual desires and solo play with ease. Surprisingly enough, women are wayy better at adapting to uncommon social scenarios than men are.

Hope this answers your question! And I guess I just wrote an excerpt of my first field report. Killed two birds with one stone

_________________
Temporarily retired from seduction, but here to share some experiences and wisdom which will (hopefully) help this community get to the next level.

Finally, it's refreshing to see a poster like you. You can add to the handful of guys on here who actually know what they're talking about.

When I read your post an image of this guy keeps popping up in my head.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLlpu341PdA

I heard the line before (or something similar to it) in a David D program. Obviously he wasn't the one who said it...some guest speaker.

I've never used it but can see this working easily with a certain female psychology.

It seems to me that you specialize in club women. Or at least the majority of women you get have either tattoos, drinks, has piercings, or likes to show skin. Most likely a few guy friends also.

Where do you do most of your game? What do you run during the daylight?

I'm also curious if you have a framework behind it all. Some structure f rules that all of your actions fall within. Looking over the post I believe I can see one, but I wanted to hear from you about it all.

_________________
I am a hunter of human excellence. I seek out those individuals who break the norms
and demonstrate to all of us what’s really possible. I learn what those few
extraordinary individuals do that’s different from everybody else, and then emulate
them.

Haha I forgot about that line!! That's awesome that you used that!
you make me want to relearn NLP again
Nice. I fucking love that line!! That's awesome dude!

This is a legit report, and it did answer my questions. I would definitely read up on you if you started posting in the Field Report section of the forum. And I see how you made the transition after 2-3 minutes. Nice. I also like how you also didn't use any kino either. Nicely done!

_________________
---Red's Journal
Motivation Mindset="If I can do it, it can be done"
No Fap Mindset="If I fap, I will turn into a god damn retard"

Yea I heard that joke in a stand up once. I definitely made sure to memorize it. haha

Actually, I'm not necessarily into 'club women.' Do I game them? yes. However its not because they're in a socially acceptable place to do this like a club or bar. But it's actually because I really do sleep mostly during the day. So since I'm awake at night, I end up gaming nocturnal girls that I can actually hang out with til 3,4, or even 5 in the morning. It just so happens that for the most part clubs or bars is where people hang out at night time.

Otherwise I've done some daygame. Very rarely since I usually sleep during the day. But I'll cover those field reports in detail at a later time. There's a lot of advanced stuff I did that I think other people would find useful. Some things I came up with. And other things I read about or heard of.

One example of something 'advanced' (at least I think its advanced) was when I gamed an HB8 in her early 30s (im in my early 20s) in a classroom. Out of respect to the teacher, nobody spoke. So neither did we. However, after building some rapport through eye contact, some winks and smirks, I ended up kinoing her thigh with a thick blue pen I was using to take notes. However while gently caressing her thigh with a pen, I was facing the professor and had a total neutral expression as if nothing was happening. And then I smirked but still didn't look at her and SPECIALLY not at where my pen was rubbing. Then I heard that amazing sound. I'm sure some of you guys are familiar with it. When she takes a deep uncontrolled breath. That's how you know. It's getting real hot real quick.

But yea, thats a glimpse on some of my 'daygame.' There's a lot more to that field report but I'll expand on it another day.

Oh, and as for the structure that I follow. Its just the basic attraction, then deep rapport, then seduction. It's never failed me so why fix what isn't broken.

However, I do have a set of ethical 'rules' I follow:

1) It has to be very fun for the both of us. If one or both of us aren't having fun, I gotta change my actions to make it fun. After all, what's the one thing ALL girls on dating websites look for in a man?

2) No games. All rules are CLEAR right off the bat. No lying, no cheating, no playing with girls emotions, no leading on to anything that isn't real. I strongly feel that seduction in general is a very powerful tool but can also be used as a powerful weapon. Being authentic about things is KEY. Specially when having mLTRs. (mLTR's are fun but can get tricky when it comes to time management. I'll share some of these mLTR stories later as well) And again, they might not always agree with your beliefs, but back to what I mentioned earlier. If you have a strong frame and you're up front about everything, they'll appreciate that ALOT. There's no real need to leave a trail of crap everywhere you go. "With great power....."

3) When the flirt-ationship (It's what I call it. It's the point that's more than friends with benefits but not quite a monogamous relationship.) is coming to an end. land the plane safely and with care. You have to leave the door open for future interactions and make sure everything's on great terms. One month I spent almost everyday literally calling one ex after another (roughly one a day) just to say hello and catch up. And I can solidly say that each and every single one of them (including the ones currently in a relationship and one was even engaged) was VERY excited to hear from me. Not only that but since they are scattered throughout the country, some even offered a place to stay if I ever visited any of those cities. It was actually a wonderful experience knowing I had made a very positive impact on each one.

That's basically it. I think that covers your questions. Hope it made sense

_________________
Temporarily retired from seduction, but here to share some experiences and wisdom which will (hopefully) help this community get to the next level.

Great guide and awesome tips.

I found a great place to use the Shower/masturbate joke is when talking to a girl who is a little shy about singing/Karoke, when they are all like

"Noooo I cant sing, I get too embarrassed" thats when to use the line, its a natural and comfy spot to use the joke and gets a great laugh.

Yea the NLP stuff is powerful. I usually just lightly sprinkle NLP on top of everything else that I'm doing. However, I did focus some time experimenting with NLP. I read a lot on it and couldn't believe that it'd be so powerful. So I had to try it first hand. I have some field reports that I'll share later on that mostly consisted of NLP. And I gotta admit, it's very powerful. But eventually it just becomes part of your influence arsenal. And you become unconsciously competent at NLP (meaning you don't even have to be consciously thinking about it to do it.) So even though you're doing it, you kinda forget you are

As for the pre Kclose line. I don't know if I heard it somewhere or came up with it on the spot. I'm still a nerd at heart so I might've come across it while studying seduction and maybe I don't remember it. lol, but i hope i was the one that came up with it. Hahaha

Oh and thanks for acknowledging me on the transition. As for the Kino part, I definitely Kinoed. I just didn't go into too much detail on this mini field report. But now that you bring it up, I definitely Kinoed. Kino is the stairway to a Kclose, or Fclose, or any type of close. You can't get to the second floor of the house until you stepped on every step of the staircase. Sure, you might be able to skip one step and still be okay. But skip more and the climb to the second floor becomes awkward. And you certainly won't get to the third floor, without first climbing to the second floor. Step by step.

Kino Protip: If at any point you're out and about at night and you're gaming, always hold the cup from the top. Claw it from the top with your less dominant hand essentially. Otherwise your Kino hands get really cold. Since you ideally wanna raise the temperature of the interaction very slowly and subtle, you can't have them jump everytime you touch em with freezing hands. Haha

_________________
Temporarily retired from seduction, but here to share some experiences and wisdom which will (hopefully) help this community get to the next level.

Intresting...

I was deterred from studying NLP by a guy who called it pseudo science. He back up his claims through failed experience and talking to neuro scientists about it.

I'm curious about your opinion on it since you appear to be someone who has tested it successfully.

Here is the thread: power-level-over-9000-vt187005.html

_________________
I am a hunter of human excellence. I seek out those individuals who break the norms
and demonstrate to all of us what’s really possible. I learn what those few
extraordinary individuals do that’s different from everybody else, and then emulate
them.

Yea i have come across before that some consider it to be a pseudoscience. Luckily, I learned this much after I was already doing it and seeing results so it couldn't change my mind anymore.

For anyone that's thinking of getting into NLP, I'd recommend first starting off with the origin of NLP. Read stuff by Milton Erickson, Richard Bantler, and Virginia Satir. Once you fully understand what NLP is and what it isn't, then you can go on to Jeffries and all those other dudes that use nlp for seduction. It'll make a lot more sense this way and you'll do a much better job with it.

I started with the seduction side of nlp first so when you're out and about you'll embed commands and suggest things to their subconscious but you really won't understand much on how and why it works. And even though you don't need to know how a cellphone works to use one, in this case, knowing how it works will give you the insight to use NLP at a more powerful level rather than just memorizing sentences and gestures.

9 times out of 10 (the 1 time being an HB that has massive ADD and cant focus on anything) that I applied NLP, I immediately began receiving more IOI's. It was like a switch that i would flip on. Pupils would dilate, there'd be massive hair touching, face touching, triangular gazing, etc etc. It almost felt unfair...lol

It is easy to fall into the trap of trying to memorize every NLP routine possible. However I'd personally recommend, picking a few and mastering those. Otherwise you'd be a walking Hypnotoad (futurama reference) and you don't want that. lol

Here's some basic ones you can use:
-Focus on VAC (Visual Accessing Cues)-These will give you a lot of information on how the person thinks. Specifically whether they're more inclined to be auditory, visual, or feeling oriented. Knowing this information will determine what words to choose to build deeper rapport. If they are Auditory for example, you would say things like "yea i hear ya," "the way it sounds to me..." "does that resonate with you?" etc etc. You adjust accordingly. And you can even take it a step further and point it out to them how they are visual and you can tell by her eye movements and actually teach em what VAC are. Anytime you teach an HB anything its a DHV

-How to embed suggestions into your sentences-Instead of giving orders, you can use specific words that instead of commanding (which are immediately picked up by the conscious mind) you give permission or you allow people to do specific things. It becomes a suggestion. However since it gets sent to their subconscious, their conscious mind doesn't get to choose whether to accept or reject it.

-How to bring forth powerful emotions-You can do this through questions and guidance. When you have a person imagining they're feeling something, their brain can't tell if it's real or not while it's happening since it has to produce the same exact chemicals that it would if it were real. You can even go as far as learning the Octoberman sequence which is total voodoo imo. Lol, its not even fair but if done right, you'll definitely get some crazy powerful results. I mainly focused on the ability to bring forth the feeling of being head over heels in love and the feeling of being uncontrollably turned on.

-How to anchor ideas, feelings, moments, to yourself-This goes hand in hand with the previous routine. Once you bring forth all those powerful emotions, you anchor them to yourself. In other words, you become synonymous to her feeling of falling deeply in love, or being completely turned on. (or any other emotion you're bringing forth).

and lastly, if there's an age difference between you and the HB...

-talk about your childhood or teenage years- I dont remember if this one i learned during NLP although it'd make sense if I did. When you discuss and compare both of your childhood or teenage years, all of a sudden, you're both exactly the same age. You strip them all together of the idea that you might be too young (or too old) and you completely level the playing field. Very powerful if you're out searching for older women. Essentially, bring them down to your level and then you game them like you would any other girl. And the crazy part is that they'll start behaving like a little girl and you'll immediately pick up on it.

There's a lot more NLP stuff out there but like I said, just master these first before worrying about anything else. I really do consider NLP to be like inputting cheat codes into a game so for the most part I don't use it a much as I could. There's certainly a lot of NLP that is now part of my mannerisms and my speech when gaming but like previously stated, I no longer consciously do it. But I do have to admit, that there's been times where I know I'm losing the set and I shift into NLP mode and end up with kcloses and fcloses. So it's more of a last resort kinda thing. Use it with caution.

EDIT: Oh and for that guy that tried NLP and claimed it didn't work. NLP is a lot like riding a bike. If I try to ride it but I keep falling off, it'd be easy to blame the bike. However, once you get that glimpse of balance and realize that it might actually work. That's when your belief system goes up and you finally learn to ride the bike.

_________________
Temporarily retired from seduction, but here to share some experiences and wisdom which will (hopefully) help this community get to the next level.

He's a moderator on the forum. I for one don't usually take advice from gun slingers. (People who try to shoot holes in your ideas)

The thing with that thread was it was born of a theory about using NLP to manipulate political figures. I don't know nlp so I posted a thread asking for advice from anyone who knew the stuff. He was the only one who spoke up, and it was to the fact that NLP wasn't real.

The pursuit of pure power is the path of a fool. That being said, I'm always looking for something to raise the level of what I do. I downloaded a book called the big book of NLP which has something like over 350 NLP techniques described in detail.

I use this memory peg mind palace system to memorize stuff so what I'll do is practice the basics that you talk about then absorb all 350 techniques.

You seem like an open minded individual, check out my building an attractive lifestyle thread if you have some time. I'm using it to enhance awareness in the community. A concept Mystery talks about in his MM.

And to chronicle my journey to financial freedom, in order to teach others how to create value in their lives which helps game tremendously.

want-to-emulate-a-great-vt187265.html

Anyway, thanks for the tips. I look forward to more of your stuff.

_________________
I am a hunter of human excellence. I seek out those individuals who break the norms
and demonstrate to all of us what’s really possible. I learn what those few
extraordinary individuals do that’s different from everybody else, and then emulate
them.

Hmm, your thread was a tad bit longer than I originally expected. However, I quickly skimmed through it (since I gotta go cold calling soon for my business). I really liked how you structured it. I'll sit down sometime this week to dedicate it the time it deserves.

First off, I looked up the memory palace technique and I found it fascinating. I'll definitely be putting that to great use.

And here's something that happened in regards to Carl Jung's synchronicity theory. I'm familiar with his collective consciousness theories and how it blends in to law of attraction (I've purposely used it to my advantage in the past). However, I had never heard of synchronicity until I saw your post on it yesterday.

So I did my research and got a solid grasp on what it is. Oddly enough, 2 hours later, I speak to a friend across the country who tells me that she kept seeing the word Idaho everywhere for weeks and weeks. Then she meets a guy and they start dating, everything is awesome. And as it turns out, he's from Idaho.

Crazy how life literally just handed me a rock solid example of a concept I had JUST learned.

I believe that's called Synchronicity. haha

_________________
Temporarily retired from seduction, but here to share some experiences and wisdom which will (hopefully) help this community get to the next level.