So, I'm soon to be divorced, my wife and I are doing the joint custody thing with my two boys, so I get to go shopping with them, etc. I have been trying to think of how to use my kids as leverage during an approach. So here's my thinking:

I've got a 10 year old, he's a really good looking kid, he's tall, has olive skin, and always combs his hair to look perfectly like a greaser. He's got a super commanding voice for a 10 year old, well spoken, and can be sarcastic as shit anytime he needs.

I've also got a 6 year old. He's short, pale, freckled, and looks like a typical "cute kid".

Both my kids are super well behaved and follow instructions perfectly, so I know I can make this fun for them. The older one loves doing interesting shit, so this would be cake for him.

Here's what I was considering. While at the store, pick one out, and approach to ask where an item is. Make small talk about how to cook that product, i.e. "Have you ever cooked that before? I'm lost about cooking that." At this point I was thinking about having my 10 year old tell her "my dad can be a shitty cook. He needs a woman to show him how to not fuck it up." Women love to hear kids talk shit and cuss; they think it's absolutely adorable (I've always had my kids cuss at waitresses. One time I had one of them tell her "thanks for the drinks. I'm shit faced." She melted.

Anyway, any tips or pointers for this one? This is a necessity for me, considering the amount of time I'm out and about with my kids, and having more of a lack of time to go out (although I will be venturing out, when I don't have them).

Thanks in advance.

Even better idea: Have your kids brag about how many women they've slept with, then have them ask the waitresses, "Want to become my 65th partner?" The ladies will melt. Also, have them tell their teachers to fuck off.

You know - your kids won't likely want to help you sleep with a woman who isn't their mother.

Just saying.

My parents divorced when I was that age. It was stressful, with lots of arguing, hatred and yelling. The last thing I wanted to see at that point was either of my parents dating someone else... As much as it's a reality and it's eventually going to happen - there's a difference between doing it passively and keeping them shielded from it initially (until you make sure the girl person isn't an asshole and can be brought around the kids) and doing it openly and flaunting it (and even using them as props)...

I sorta think what you're proposing is a shitty thing to do.

Just my 2 cents.

I see where you are all coming fr, and I can understand your view.

However, considering my wife already has a boyfriend that my kids have hung out with on a few occasions, I don't think any animosity will be developed by them on the other side of the table.

Two, Charles alluded to fighting, hatred, etc. Its not the case here as my wife and I have been getting along fantastically with zero fighting.

My kids are and will be cool with it, and that's just all there is to it. I've always been real with my kids to an extreme degree. I've never shielded them from anything, ever. My 10 year old was with me when I bought The Game and asked me about it, we talked about it for a solid hour. He understands fully what my purpose is, and he's happy that I'm happy, and that his mom is happy.

Like I said I understand the concerns, and I could see how that conclusion could be drawn, but all I can say is believe me, my kids are down with whatever I am. I told my 10 year old I need to get a vasectomy and his first response "oh god, can you imagine if you had another fucking kid right now?"

Like I said, my kids and I don't hide anything. I'm real with them and they're real with me. They both know I'm actively seeking females, and they know their mom is with someone else. They were upset at first, what kid wouldn't be? But both my wife and I sat them down and said basically "look, this is how life goes. This isn't bad." They're phenomenally receptive to reasoning.

This is not ideal for me, don't get me wrong. It is truly based on my time restraint and responsibilities I have elsewhere besides going out every day for the specific goal of meeting women. If I have my kids with me, which I do quite a bit, then I need to continue with them there, just change tactics.

Like I said I see your points, I understand where they are founded, but I cannot stress enough that emotionally my kids are reasonable and tough as nails in comparison with a lot of brats I meet.

Tony I meant to respond to something you said but I suppose my phone deleted it somehow.

You said if j can't get women without my kids as a pivot, then I have bigger problems.

I couldn't agree more. I am with you there.

My reasoning here is like I said, time restraints. I can't go out every day alone and cold approach on a daily basis, although I would love to and will when I'm alone. I have my kids with me quite a bit when I'm out, so this is what I consider working with my situation to my advantage.

Is it wrong? Maybe so. Maybe in a logistic standpoint, and that's what I'm questioning; would it be effective or worthless. If its worthless, then what would be a decent idea considering my kids are with me quite a bit.

I think what you are suggesting is incredibly risky and what kind of life lessons will you teach your children, especially a 10 year old when he is about to enter puberty...

Just saying.

There's no way a 6-yr old has any clue what you're doing or that he'd be trying to help you get lucky. Like, seriously?

The 10 yr old maybe... but 6?

Seems wrong to me - but hey, they're your kids, and it sounds like you've made up your mind on this one - so I'm not exactly sure what you made a thread about it for.

You want help in trying to figure out how to best exploit them?

Teaching a 10 year old how to be confident and talk to women before he's about to enter puberty? I think its a wonderful life lesson, honestly. To allude otherwise would be to suggest that anyone who approaches women with an intent is doing a bad thing, and young males should not follow in those footsteps (be an AFC instead).

I don't see the disconnect...

But as far as risky, that's what I'm wondering about. The practicality of the whole thing. Would it be more effective to just approach with my kids chilling at the end of the isle, or include them by my side.

Charles. I'm with you dude. I have no misconceptions about the 6 year old. His life is built on the foundation of spongebob, pizza, and fast cars.

Truly I have no intention of filling him in on anything, except to stand there, look cute, and just do his thing.

Trust me I'm with you totally.

The 10 year old, totally different. The kid exudes pure confidence and charm, and he's quick as shit.

I'm sorry I started this thread. I'll move on.

no, this thread is necessary if it's how you feel. i bet there are many single lonely fathers who get this idea. however, it amounts to bad parenting (i'm not saying that as an insult but for lack of a better description). you should already be well into an established relationship before your kids ever get into the picture. you just got out of an unstable relationship and they need see you in a stable one or none at all.

i think to some pickup is about getting laid. to other people it's about personal development and establishing relationships. the latter, i believe is the healthier way of looking at pickup. figure out what's your own issues with relationships and how to improve that. it will go alot farther than figuring our the best tricks and props, aka wingmen, to get women.

ps. describing your kids as well behaved is contrary to having them curse. women don't love that. the women who do probably aren't the ones you want around kids.

Your total lack of willingness to fight your corner shows that you knew this was wrong all along. You just thought you might find some support in the moral abyss that this community represents, but even that community won't support you.

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This is probably the most pathetic post I've seen on here. This is wrong on so many levels. It doesn't matter what situation your ex wife is in or how open you are with your kids or whatever other excuses you choose to make. USING your kids for ANYTHING is wrong, especially when you're trying to use them to pick up women. How about you let your kids be kids and enjoy their childhood instead of making them help their old pervy loser dad pick up chicks at the grocery store. And if you wanna pick up women then learn how to play the game, don't let your kids do it for you. You're a terrible father, and I hope your kids grow up to be nothing like you.

At least Charles and textytext disagreed with the man without having to verbally berate him. Doesn't make you much better of a person in my opinion.

To the OP, if I were you, I would just go up and talk to women you see out and about naturally. No routine, plan, or scheme needed. If your kids are with you then that's fine. You don't need them to say anything, just let them stand there and be their cute little selves. Your son literally could have said anything to that waitress and she likely still would have melted. And if your 10 year-old is as witty and smart as you say then he may just chime in on his own. Just be natural, you're NOT the first father in history to talk to a girl he's interested in with his kids around.

I think everyone is just criticizing the fact that you're somehow "using" your kids for pick-up. Well fuck that shit, kids get used all the time. When I was little I used to hate doing chores like mowing the lawn. You know what my dad said to me, "What do you think I had kids for?" Was he being serious, probably not, but there are kids out there that are "used" for much worse than you're suggesting.

Just don't FORCE them to do anything they don't want to do and keep it natural. If anything, you're teaching them how to be more social. Which is a useful skill in life.

Unlike everyone else I'm not going to hate on you for wanting to "use" your kids as a tool to better your pickup results.

That being said, I don't think the idea is a useful one in the long run.

Don't bother trying to teach your kids a routine in order to help you with women.

Honestly, I don't see the need to use them in the first place. Just run "normal" game and you'll be fine. Adding them into your routine only complicates things needlessly. I'm also not sure hearing a ten year old curse is as amusing to most women as you think.

Ricter,

Thank you for your advice. After the sound arguments on why I shouldn't (besides all the "horrible father" arguments), I'll definitely be leaving my kids out of the scenario. I like what you said, just let them stand there and be their cute little selves. You're definitely right, too, about the 10 year old. He would naturally chime in if he felt like he wanted to. But him moving a line would probably come out as fake.

And yeah you're right, I use my kids all the time. For example, I haven't done dishes since the older one was six years old. I also haven't touched my lawn, or taken the trash out. But that's a whole other level anyway.

I'll definitely take your advice and keep it natural. It sounds like it's the best solution.

ChocolatePUA,

You're probably right. It would over-complicate the situation, and why do that? A routine would probably be a little ridiculous, thinking about the specifics now.

I'll take your advice for sure. I appreciate it.

I suppose when originally posting, I was just trying to think of ways to maximize on my time. Do I think it's wrong? No, I still don't. Maybe I'm a shitty father, but maybe some people don't live at my house, either; how the hell would anyone know what type of father I am? The most anyone knows about me here is the few posts I've made. Whatever.

Thank you all for your advice!