I've never done this but I want to try it. Thing is, I'm kind of stuck on the whole kino thing. I'm probably over thinking it but can somebody give me advice for kino in this situation? Handholding would be nice but it seems a little much for a first date, especially if I didn't kino beforehand. It seems like two big of a jump. So what should I do? Just be sure to kino before the date and then go straight for the handhold at the start of the date? Just do an arm lock instead? Has anybody gone from no kino to hand holding in this scenario? I plan on trying it, it would just calm me down to hear some feedback first. Kino is a major sticking point for me. Thanks!

no kino to hand holding can give a weird vibe and is a big hoop to jump through when you dont have anything else to go off of. actually you shouldnt hold hands if you havent slept with her, weird i know but it can end up giving you lmr. if she holds your hand its okay, but i wouldnt hold hands that much.

what i do to kino is give a quick, light touch with the back of my hand/fingers to emphasis my points i'm making. during the day its best to use a little less kino, you can get away with a lot more at night in a bar or club.

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Hand holding too much for the first date? What are you 12?

No I'm kidding, listen I will go for a 2 minute prolonged hand hold within the first 5 minutes if the girl is an investor. (the type who likes to invest in one guy) vs if she is one of those test the waters chicks (the type that has a bunch of guy friends and orbiters and such) in which case things get slowed down and calibrated towards more indirect game.

The investor girls love fast escalation. The faster the better, but still tempered and in a step by step manner.

I will do some sort of light arm touch or high five or and shake thing to establish contact initially. Then I give her a quick one arm side hug when she qualifies herself. Then I hold her had for 2 minutes STRONG! Followed by a full frontal hug then micro escalation into a kiss. I try to go for the kiss when we are isolated so I can use it a jumping point into my seduction Kino which leads to sex.

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